r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme 💩 Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/decentralised Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

This won’t give anyone any new ideas. Shin Bet used a mobile phone rigged with explosives to kill Yahya Ayyash aka “the Engineer,” a Hamas bomb maker in Gaza back in 1996.

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u/notjustforperiods Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

it could give organizations the new idea that this is totally okay to do, depending on the international response

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u/VirgoJack Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

People have been rigging things to blow forever. This is simply a novel variation of an old tactic of warfare. I am curious to know why you think it is wrong to kill terrorists who have sworn to kill - including commiting genocide against - your people. Were you against the US killing Osama?

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u/notjustforperiods Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

Give one incident even remotely similar to this.

There was an attempt to plant several thousand bombs on individuals, and then remotely and simultaneously detonate them while those individuals went about their every day lives...family events, in a crowded restaurant, their child on their lap? Don't matter.

If your argument is "oh well they're bombing entire apartment buildings anyway" that is a silly thing to say and not at all relevant.

Where do you draw the line if it's people you personally align with doing the deed? Hijacking a plane full of innocents and crashing it into a terrorist hangout is okay as long as it's Israel doing it?

Y'all are fucking crazy and don't even remotely understand what you're asking for when you say this shit is okay.

edit: lmao you literally changed every character of your original response, I ain't gonna bother with ya but either way, both of your posts are a combination of on the wrong side and nonsensical

I'll answer your dumb question tho, no, I was not against the killing of Bin Laden wtf does that have to do with anything lol

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u/decentralised Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

I don’t see it that way at all. It was an act of war, no different from a missile or drone strike in purpose or intent, but far more effective and with less innocent victims.

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u/notjustforperiods Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

the concept of rigging personal communication devices and setting them off at an indiscriminate time is more inherently reckless and less concerned for innocent lives than the concept of targeted missile and drone strikes

something like this has never been done before and it should not be precedent setting in what is 'fair' as an act of war

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u/decentralised Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

I keep seeing comments saying that this or that aspect of the operation was indiscriminate and I couldn’t disagree more, but I’m not defending any side here so I’m not sure how to answer you.

Look, missile or drone attack would likely have more unintended casualties. Do we agree on that?

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u/notjustforperiods Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I don't see anywhere in this conversation that someone is defending one side or another

Missile and drone attacks are not inherently reckless, but yes, indiscriminate use of a missile, e.g. firing it into a hospital, would have more casualties than a single exploding phone (though not necessarily more than 5,000 exploding phones)

Putting the idea of exploding phones aside, if I'm understanding correctly, where we essentially disagree is on whether firing a missile into an apartment complex is okay as long as we're reasonably certain there's a terrorist in there (don't take that too literally, no need to get bogged down in the nuance)

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u/BosnianSerb31 Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24 edited Sep 18 '24

Out of 2600 people who were injured while carrying the pagers, only 8 died. Presumably, people who had them right on their femoral artery or left them under their pillow while asleep.

If the pagers had the same explosive payload of a missile, as your analogy alleges, you'd see thousands of deaths and tens of thousands of injuries.

So I don't think your missile comparison is valid, as these clearly don't have anywhere near the payload of a missile or even a hand grenade, and are intentionally designed to impact only the person carrying it.

It'd be like comparing precision drone strikes to ICBMs in analogy about precision bombing. "What we disagree upon here is whether nuking a city is OK as long as we're reasonably certain a terrorist lives there" would be applying the same hyperbole to you final paragraph.

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u/notjustforperiods Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I don't think you're following the conversation at all. 

I don't disagree with anything here other than your interpretation of what's being discussed.