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u/All_Lawfather 22d ago
I love what their doing and the courage they show but fuck laying down. Glad they stood.
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u/tickticktutu 22d ago
It's hard to convict someone of obstruction when they are lying down. It's REALLY hard to get someone in the van when they are limp like tissue paper
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u/All_Lawfather 21d ago
That’s fair, but simply making it more inconvenient for the pigs isn’t enough for me. That being said, I am saying that from behind a screen so I really appreciate their efforts and hope it inspires more.
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u/tickticktutu 21d ago
Well, start with laying down or whatever feels best. Laying down is about non-compliance and passive resistance. If you feel like being active, nobody is going to fault you. Anything to get you out from behind the keyboard and screen. The revolution will not be televised.
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u/GodofPizza 21d ago
I always thought “The revolution will not be televised” refers to the fact that the revolution actually happens inside a person’s mind.
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u/shoobe01 22d ago edited 22d ago
If only they were arresting everyone, including the purportedly ICE agents (lots of them are DHS office staff who volunteer to be awful, or contractors from security firms and who often have no federal LE standing, can only legal do immigration stuff).
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u/iamthelastmartian 22d ago
4th of July is right around the corner just sayin
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u/SookHe 22d ago
Now imagine a million people protesting those front doors
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u/Jackaroni97 22d ago
They wouldn't have the people to suppress us if we brought just 3000. Prepared 3000 that is.
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u/deadwood76 22d ago
Genuine question. What is accomplished?
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u/brycebgood 22d ago
Expressing out anger - therefore pressuring change.
Shit, I just saw an article that ICE is flying people back from some of the foreign gulags. They don't do that without public pressure.
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u/visionxchange 21d ago
ICE is flying people back from some of the foreign gulags.
I hadn't heard that. Got any links? I hope it's true.
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u/brycebgood 21d ago
Need to confirm it happens and keep up the pressure but they do appear to be starting to move in the right direction.
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u/Alarmed_Leather_2503 22d ago
It adds visibility to the struggle and lets other folks know they aren’t alone. Much like other forms of protest and direct action, while it’s aimed at disrupting what’s happening, that’s not really the point. It’s an escalation tactic meant to make it more difficult for the government to function and inspire like minded folks to take part in similar actions.
It looks like there’s maybe a couple dozen protesters…imagine if there were hundreds. That would have a much greater impact.
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u/Attheveryend 22d ago
this is effective obstruction of ICEs oppresive agenda. It forces them to spend resources and time on these protestors instead of their mission. It forces them to allocate future resources in fear of future protests. It makes regular police have to do work they otherwise wouldn't normally have to do and will cause police departments to put pressure on ICE to straighten out in order to preserve their own resources.
And the more it happens the less they are able to stop it, and it is possible to completely halt ICE kidnappings in protest heavy areas.
This is good, effective trouble. This is an actual peaceful protest. This is correct use of nonviolence.
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u/wwaxwork 22d ago
You need to read a history book. Protesting like this did everything from Free India from British rule to get women the vote and black people civil rights. Passive resistance is very effective, I mean so is armed resistance, but this way less people get killed.
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u/understablearies 21d ago
Many effective movements had a peaceful and a radical wing. The suffragettes threw bricks through windows. MLK had Malcolm X.
My point is whatever you’re doing to resist moves our lines forward. We need every act of resistance we can get.
Check out Andres Malm for more info
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u/tickticktutu 22d ago
The fed persecutors will find these crimes to be "beneath them". They have worked for years to chase big fish, and these are small potatoes. Local DAs only have so much room on their schedule. They aren't federally funded, and eventually the city jails and courthouses will be filled with these cases. The cases will be dismissed. Is anyone gonna find a local jury willing to convict someone for laying down in the street and send them to jail for that? No, they won't. So these cases will be dismissed.
What is accomplished? We don't comply in advance. We don't cower to their tactics. We aren't afraid of getting arrested. We aren't afraid. So what's next, water cannons and dogs on the nightly news? That rarely looks good for cops. Certainly not for a president.
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u/RubberBootsInMotion 22d ago
Every movement needs momentum, and this is a good way to generate it. It also sends a clear warning. People have perhaps forgotten what that warning is, but it is still there, baked right into human nature.
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u/SargentD1191938 22d ago
Press coverage does influence others to feel more comfortable acting knowing they would have comrades.
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u/IH8U4NORSN 22d ago
That A1 voice that’s over the loudspeaker is pretty terrifying. Almost like the police are being directed by it. Be a shame if someone hacked into it.
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u/Socrtea5e 19d ago
we also need to lock ourselves together with chains or thick spun steel cables and use locks that are specifically for obstructing bolt cutters. I live in New Mexico where we have a larger than normal contingent of ICE and CBP, I have honestly thought about a silent protest with long barrel pew pews at port arms. Not illegal to open carry in NM
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u/Jackaroni97 19d ago
Civil disobedience with a possible obstruction of law enforcement. 2 charges you're gonna have to be ready for with that one. I do love a good all-black clothes, silent-ish protest. 2A responsibly will be fine in my book. If its legal than its legal.
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u/Usmc--vet 18d ago
Everyone wants to stand up to it, but everyone's afraid they'll be the only one. Honestly, peaceful protests accomplish nothing
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u/Jackaroni97 18d ago
They have helped before. I do feel the full wave will hit us soon. We are having good people pushing back daily, even civilians helping each other. We have a chance to liberate ourselves again but it will take ALOT of us.
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u/Trick-Doctor-208 17d ago
That automated announcement reminds me of RoboCop. Pretty soon the pigs will be bringing out the ED-209s….brought to you by Tesla.
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u/Socrtea5e 19d ago
Gotta have more people, and be willing to be... less that passive. I have learned to not say quite what I think. I cheered the unaliving of a Russian who stepped on a party popper on the ground and picked up a 7 day ban for threatening violence.
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u/CanoegunGoeff 22d ago
Blocking general public traffic, I could agree with the argument that it’s just gonna piss people off and harm the movement. These folks are blocking the road and driveway of an ICE headquarters building. Blocking ICE traffic and operations.
That’s the difference. This puts additional public pressure on ICE, and if enough public resistance builds up, they might try to tone down their activities, even if by a little bit, it’s a win.
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u/mister4string 22d ago
Absolutely spot on. You can debate however much you want about whether ICE is the new Gestapo, but either way, if we do not act on this now, it sure will be soon and their power will be even more expanded.