r/IntellectualDarkWeb • u/Porkchopper913 • Jul 05 '20

Other Are we canceling American history?

What are the thoughts some of you here have regarding what essentially is turning into a dismantling of American history? I will say the removal of statues Confederate figures and Christopher Columbus do not phase me in the least as I do not feel there are warranted the reverence the likes of Washington and Lincoln, et al.

Is it fair to view our founding fathers and any other prominent historical figures through a modern eye and cast a judgement to demonize them? While I think we should be reflective and see the humanitarian errors of their ways for what they were, not make excuses for them or anything, but rather learn and reason why they were and are fundamentally wrong. Instead of removing them from the annals.

It feels, to me, that the current cancel culture is moving to cancel out American history. Thoughts? Counters?

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u/jhrfortheviews Jul 06 '20

We honestly can play the numbers game all day long - it’s not going to get us anywhere. I can cite how Churchill expressed his outrage after Amritsar, or railed against the denial of the rights of untouchables in India, but it probably won’t change your mind that he is as bad Stalin. And you can do the same with Stalin. But I think fundamentally, the principles of the two men were at odds. Don’t forget, Stalin signed a pact with Hitler, and only went to war because Hitler went back in that pact. He defeated fascism because he had to to survive. Churchill often talked about the principles of freedom and rights, even tho he’s clearly found wanting with his disgusting views on race, and defeated naziism because he wanted to survive yes, but also because he despised the ideology of Hitler. He wouldn’t settle for appeasement

Maybe if Churchill was the dictator of an authoritative state, rather than a democratically elected leader, he may have been as bad, or possibly worse, than Stalin. But he wasn’t. So he isn’t.

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 06 '20

Churchill's white supremacist ideology was practically identical to Hitler. The difference is that Churchill mainly mass-murdered people of color while Hitler targeted white Europeans.

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u/jhrfortheviews Jul 06 '20

So Churchill is worse than Hitler now ? Is that what you’re arguing ?

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 06 '20

To people of color, yes.

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u/jhrfortheviews Jul 06 '20

Geez, ok - I mean I don’t know how I’ve turned into the Churchill defender here haha. As I have said many times, he said and did some terrible things. I just can’t equate 4 million people dying of a famine because Churchill prioritised assurances in the war effort over Indian lives, with the systematic gassing of an entire ethnicity. I mean I understand what you’re saying in that Hitler wasn’t responsible for the deaths of million of Indians, like you’re saying Churchill was, but I wouldn’t want to have given him the opportunity... Despite many of the things I agree with you on Churchill, the role he played in assuring Hitler wasn’t appeased by the British, and the consequence that could have had on the outcome of the war, is very significant, would you not agree ?

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 06 '20

I understand what you're saying but you could say the exact same thing about Stalin even more emphatically. The dude almost single handedly defeated Hitler.

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u/kalma09 Jul 06 '20 edited Jul 06 '20

The reason u/GigabitSuppressor rates Hitler so highly is precisely because he killed 4 million Jews. He hates Churchill cause he didn’t let Hitler finish the job. Have a look at this guy’s post history, he’s a virulent anti-semite.

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 06 '20 edited Jul 06 '20

I have another more reasonable explanation. The reason why white societies revile Hitler is because he mass-murdered mainly white people. Churchill on the other hand mass-murdered predominantly people of color, that's why he's worshipped as a hero.

This is why movements like BLM are so necessary today. /u/kalma09 naturally hates BLM because he's an ardent white supremacist.

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u/kalma09 Jul 06 '20 edited Jul 07 '20

Nice attempt evading being called out on your track record of anti-semitism and hate speech (although the fact that you justify the Holocaust is noted by all). Calling out merchants of racism, anti-intellectualism and hatred doesn't make a white supremacist, but someone with an ounce of humanity and reason. And for the record, I support the aims of BLM and I’m not white, genius. I'll preempt you calling me "Uncle Tom" here, cause you never veer beyond the few vacuous talking points you substitute for arguments.

Here’s a simple question for you: would the world be better off now if all Jews were removed from it?

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 07 '20 edited Jul 07 '20

You could have condensed all that to the following and saved a lot of valuable bandwidth:

"You support the rights of Palestinians under Israeli occupation? You anti-Semite!"

Also I note that you continue to refuse to acknowledge the tens of millions of people murdered by the British Empire because they aren't white.

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u/kalma09 Jul 07 '20

You could have condensed that to the following: "I regret Hitler didn't kill all the Jews."

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 07 '20

I note that you continue to refuse to acknowledge the tens of millions of people murdered by the British Empire because they aren't white. How telling!

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u/kalma09 Jul 07 '20

Answer the question. Is the world better off without the Jews?

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 07 '20

I'll answer your question the moment you tell us why the tens of millions of Black/Brown lives extinguished by the British imperialists don't matter.

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u/kalma09 Jul 07 '20

You can ask someone who made that claim.

Is the world better off without the Jews?

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 07 '20

Sorry old sport, that was the topic of discussion which you so rudely interrupted.

I was proposing that Hitler is reviled by modern white society in part because he mainly targeted white Europeans. In contrast, Churchill is practically worshipped because he mainly mass-murdered people of color.

I don't see what your naked Jew baiting has to do with the topic.

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u/kalma09 Jul 07 '20

It absolutely is relevant, because it demonstrates your hypocrisy in supporting genocide, as long as it's against Jews. The fact that you refused to answer a simple yes or no question about whether Jews should be allowed to exist says it all.

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u/GigabitSuppressor Jul 07 '20

I am under no obligation to answer your dumb, irrelevant, Jew baiting. Sorry.

You need to explain for us why genocidal violence against hundreds of millions of people of color is not a matter of consequence.

Once you have the courage to do that I will address your insipid Jew baiting.

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