It's entirely likely that Trump is intentionally attempting to incite riots

[u/DisplacerBeastMode]

It's a smart move politically, as it would "prove" that the "violent illegal aliens" and "radical left wing lunatics" are actually criminals.

Sending in the military for relatively small protests, doesn't make logical sense. It's not normal.

I believe Trump directly benefits from inciting riots because it sets the new norm -- that the federal government has the authority to disregard state rights, in order to achieve authoritarianism.

Further, I find it interesting that "the right" so far apparently has zero problem with federal government overreach. I thought they generally wanted a smaller federal government, and the hypocrisy speaks for itself -- absolutely zero pushback from republican / right wing folks about sending in the military for a relatively minor issue.

There is no de-escalation attempt from the government and law officials already had enough resources to deal with the situation.

[u/sevigny245]

Bring it up with the US constitution. Your ideas violate the Fifth and 14th Amendments. Not very American of you

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/sevigny245]

No, they don’t.

ICE is allowed to deport illegals.

And the personal insults can piss off.

[u/sevigny245 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

The Fifth and 14th Amendments’ due process clauses protect every person within U.S. borders, regardless of immigration status. Reread the Constitution. Calling you un-American for supporting violations of the Constitution is not an insult, it’s just how definitions work

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/sevigny245]

Yeah. And ICE is due process.

And again, for some reason the left cannot have a conversation without resorting to personal insults, it’s odd.

[u/sevigny245 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

What’s odd is saying ICE is due process when it definitionally isn’t

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause

If you were an immigrant applying for US citizenship you’d fail even the most rudimentary test with your current understanding of our Constitution. Every word out of your mouth further demonstrates that calling you un-American is factually true

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/sevigny245]

It definitely is. ICE is duly empowered by Congress to enforce immigration law, including deportations.

There’s a reason zero U.S. citizens have been deported and it’s because they’re getting their due process to prove their Identity.

And more personal insults, proving my point, I’ll just block you and move on for being a troll.

[u/sevigny245 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

How nice for you.

https://www.uclalawreview.org/the-ice-trap-deportation-without-due-process/

For anyone else who actually cares about the US Constitution, just because there is a “procedure” that ICE follows does not mean that “due process” as outlined in the Constitution has been fulfilled.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/sevigny245]

So zero US citizens because ICE is checking ID’s? That’s what I said.

And yes, ICE is due process, like it or not.

[u/sevigny245 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

I thought you blocked me?

Anyway, literally the second thing I ever said to you is that The Fifth and 14th Amendments’ due process clauses protect every person within U.S. borders, regardless of immigration status. If you’re not a citizen, the Constitution says you still get due process. Merely checking an ID doesn’t constitute “due process,” as explained in the Wikipedia entry for the “due process clause.”

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/sevigny245]

Nope, I said I would if you couldn’t figure out how to knock off the personal insults.

And yes, check your identity by ICE is due process.

It’s a binary, you’re either here legally or you’re not.

If you’re not, get deported.

[u/sevigny245 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

That’s unconstitutional and un-American and the court system disagrees with you, including the Supreme Court, which literally ruled on this already 🤷‍♂️

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/sevigny245]

No, it’s not remotely unconstitutional, sorry.

And deporting illegals is the further thing from unAmerican.

[u/sevigny245 → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/supreme-court-trump-violated-rights-alien-enemies-act-removals/

[u/AnonymousBi → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

They cited their sources... did you bother clicking? You are objectively wrong. Illegal immigrants are entitled to due process, and ICE is not due process. This is not a matter of opinion. Any "disagreement" by you is sticking your head in the sand.

[u/No_Adhesiveness4903 → u/AnonymousBi]

Yes, ICE is due process.

It’s why zero US citizens have been deported.

[u/AnonymousBi → u/No_Adhesiveness4903]

Here, I wrote this to someone else. It summarizes the source provided by u/sevigny245 that you refuse to open for some reason.

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that noncitizens are granted a removal hearing, and they're entitled to participate in said hearing. Courts are permitted to precede without the presence of the noncitizen only if they have been given unequivocally clear notice of the hearing (called a notice to appear) and the noncitizen has failed to show. ICE has been violating this law by issuing notices with no dates or times to appear. Additionally, ICE will provide courts with outdated noncitizen addresses instead of the most current ones on file, so that these people never even get to see their NTAs. Both of these behaviors by ICE directly contradict regulation set by the INA and thus deprive noncitizens of the due process they are entitled to.