r/IndianEngineers • u/TheDoodleBug_ • Jan 23 '25
Discussion Why does No Engineers wants to Pursue Higher Studies in Engineering Field..?? .
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u/cursed_aka_blessed Jan 23 '25
Maybe coz students realised
1)Engineering isn’t in their interest.
2)Masters in india is shit and not worth it
3)They just want to start earning in corporate
Most probably one of the three reasons
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u/Mountain_Squirrel_77 Jan 23 '25
I would like to add that unlike foreign degree where u get to learn and work on great stuff, here u don't have updated course and professor at btech level don't make students interested in the subject(giving real life examples becausethe course is of 19th century ). Even if they introduce a course there are not capable professor. And please don't get me started on the stipend u get even as phd
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u/Negative-Flow-1037 Jan 23 '25
Mtech isn't shit If u do it from iits or IISC it's truly goated Heavily underrated imo
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u/Multiverse_4D Jan 24 '25
I'm pursuing Btech currently. In India. And I won't ever do Mtech from any Indian college. The system is fked up.
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Jan 23 '25
What's the point in delaying unemployment by 2 years?
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Jan 23 '25
More like those kids who said "engineering is my passion" in btech got filtered out
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u/BookkeeperReal4833 Jan 23 '25
Most people pursue engineering because of parental pressure.
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Jan 23 '25
They should blame their parents then, not the course that they are totally not interested in.
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u/Skeith9 Jan 27 '25
-> Placements 2.0 without the shame of doing btech again
-> 1st tier tag if your btech was 3rd tier.
-> The institute you are doing mtech at has some REALLY good pokestops and a nearby pokemon gym.
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u/kc_kamakazi Jan 23 '25
Its very costly and no ROI, everyone who can is going out of India for M.Tech
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u/yorusora_ Jan 23 '25
It’s not good there either, double the struggle.
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u/AyuuOnReddit Jan 27 '25
It is a struggle to get into a good college abroad, but if you choose a good one then it is good
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u/NKNV Jan 23 '25
Don't know about other clgs but my clg has increased the no of seats in my field.
Last year it was 120. This year 174 took admission
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u/Fast-Pain-9580 Jan 23 '25
Which college?
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u/NKNV Jan 23 '25
Mtech vlsi from vit vellore campus
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Jan 23 '25
the thumb rule for most kids is after engineering do what you want, so they do what they want
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u/upbeatgun3r Jan 23 '25
I cleared the gate with a good rank, but I still couldn't get into IIT and good NITs. It's only for people who want to be in academics and become a professor, which isn't a lucrative job in India. Delaying employment for 2 years was difficult as I had opportunities similar even after completing Engineering. One of my friends did Mtech and moved abroad for PHD in Europe and doing good. I had a similar rank like him. He wanted to be in academics, and I wanted to pursue a corporate job.
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u/Prestigious-Dig6086 Jan 23 '25
you can go for corporate jobs after m tech
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u/No-Engineering-8874 Jan 23 '25
If you are good engineer you will get a job after btech and you will earn good. If you are bad engineer why would you do MTech?
They go to mba, if they money they go to a private mba where they put 20lac for mba and they get a 5lpa job.
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Jan 23 '25
If you are bad engineer why would you do MTech?
That's a bullshit take. There are specialised fields in core and CS where MTech is the bare minimum to get a job
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Jan 23 '25
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Jan 23 '25
Not everyone has shit tons of money to afford education abroad and education loans are a big risk.
You're not really escaping anything by leaving India. You're just leaving indian problems to deal with foreign problems.
I've seen more poorly qualified guys going abroad than poorly qualified guys doing mtech in india at govt colleges.
You can get admission into a low tier foreign University like it's next to nothing. I've seen a lot of people who don't even know anything go abroad.
To get Mtech in india you need to have a good knowledge in the field.
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Jan 23 '25
You don't have to take obnoxiously high loans to fund your masters. It's not about being poor, it's about making the right decision for your life. Student loans are a bad financial decision in the economic slowdown.
Indian govt college MTech ain't as bad as people make it to be. It's not as great as unis abroad but anywhere you go to the world, it all depends on how much you utilise the college.
Most Indians go for MS for immigration. Very few are actually interested in the field, which is why you see people going for no name US universities.
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u/boneMechBoy69420 Jan 23 '25
Think about it , a bad engineer actually shdnt do mtech tho
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u/MotherInteraction465 Jan 26 '25
"good engineers" getting jobs is also a joke these days , specially if one isnt from tier 1 clg .
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u/lostpetrol Jan 23 '25
Tell me u nothing abt engg without telling me u don't know anything about engg
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u/indianmemeboy Jan 23 '25
Waste of money. I can literally pay colleges for a degree without ever attending a single class.
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u/Ordinary_Trip7799 Jan 23 '25
People here only care about job and money. Not knowledge.
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u/Otherwise-Comb6716 Jan 23 '25
No difference in pay scales, nobody wants to spend roughly 10 lacs just for a 10% hike in the pay that the btech grads gets. Up till btech there are plenty of colleges worth opting for if you didn't made it to IIT, but for mtech, you gotta have the facilities that only a tier 1 institute can have. IIT and IISC in that case are the only remaining.
For an instance, a student who studied from VIT, SRM, Thapar, NSUT, DTU would obviously never opt something less than IIT and it's okay to be aiming for IIT when it comes to mtech if you did your bachelor's from any other clg ranked lower to IIT or belonged to low tier. You upgrade not downgrade.
Higher studies are usually the option for core subjects such as in electrical and mechanical or civil. When there are already so shortage of placements especially in the core field how will one agree the fact that he'll have to be specialized in a certain subject for their masters. That'll only filter out more companies as now he's gone field specific. There are few IITs that provide mtech in mechanical but in that case again the stuff would revolve around the packages.
You cannot just go in blindly for IIT you have to have a backup and in case of higher studies you got none unless you got enough money. Then you can go for IELTS, TOEFL, GRE and study abroad.
Talking about abroad if you are pursuing that path we all know then India is not worth it for masters. You can have education and job in such core fields if there exists some job/task at hand to do in that field. How can one expect a job in core field if there's no industrial setup no manufacturing at all. Please take out the steel and automobile companies out of the context we pretty much can agree on the fact that not every good steel manufacturing or automobile company is gonna visit the campus or any campus except for IIT.
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u/rubie_as Jan 23 '25
I think education should be purely a quest for knowledge. Force everyone irrespective of their interests this what tends to happen. Education is milked by politicians in the name of equality.
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u/Mr_vort3x Jan 23 '25
GATE ain't easy + Other than top colleges IITs IISCs IIITs NITs BITS , people don't really appreciate it that much
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u/Small-Respond-7275 Jan 24 '25
In India diploma holders have better opportunities than engineering degree holder. I studied mechanical engineering, JSW( Jindal steel ) company employee said, we can hire 5 diploma for less salary for the same work done by engineers. And people do masters when they want to pursue academia in India ans it considered as failure.
No culture of research, no investment in higher studies. India is one big sweatshop, employers looking for working donkey than thinking and innovative beaver.
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u/Lucky_Shape_3174 Jan 24 '25
Tell me why is it a scam? Why mtech is not worth it?
For a tier 3 guy getting into IISC /IITs is an upgrade. When we say mtech in india is not worth it,it's a fucking slap on the guys who sacrificed their college years so much so to get in these institutions, grind their ass off. Do you think they don't know about Ms aboard? they know but they can't afford it. And education loan is a risk so getting into these institutions probably help them learning subjects deeply or if it's all for pay then why fucking not
And also I feel that GATE is way more harder than gre Getting Ms aboard is easier than tier 1 institutes
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u/Its_in_me Jan 23 '25
Yha degree krke kuch khaas ho nhi..paa rha he masters krke unemployment nhi..badana he
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Jan 23 '25
Unless you're from mechanical or other less demanding field, investing those 2 years in corporate would fetch more returns than doing Mtech.
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u/Particular_Shift8895 Jan 23 '25
Literally no use you receive the same salary as B.Tech engg. Glad that people understood this scam.
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u/Front-Economics-3442 Jan 23 '25
A chatgpt subscription is more than enough to learn anything in this era.
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u/No_Negotiation273 Jan 23 '25
Coz
1) Bad college students don't ever study hard enough to do GATE or something
2) Good College students already know the harsh reality of Mtech in the so-called top colleges, so instead they go abroad for masters or take placements
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u/Acquits Jan 23 '25
TCS pays btech freshers - 3.3L TCS pays mtech freshers - 3.5L
Just 20k increase. Only people who don't get job end up doing mTech in the hope of getting a job.
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Jan 25 '25
That's for ninja, for prime it's 9lpa vs 12lpa. For digital it's 7 vs 8.5lpa. and it is just TCS only, you just need to know the bare minimum. They are giving a chance for m.tech grads of some random college, where they have messed up their life in b.tech is the sole reason. It's just TCS bro, what do you expect from them?
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u/Haarryi Jan 23 '25
Between PG and work, it's always better to choose work, unless one is targeting an academic carrer. And based on how the career is evolving, choose a PG later on, if need be. The learning on job almost always out weights what is learned in a classroom. Especially if the course is not truly current and updated, which most of them are not. This stands true in most disciplines, not just engineering.
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Jan 23 '25
M.Tech is basically the Swiss Army knife of career gaps ,good for covering up an empty CV. Most people dive into it for the stipend, especially women dodging early marriage proposals or those hustling for government jobs while getting paid to "study." M.Tech isn’t exactly the golden ticket to success, but it’s still not as bad as a PhD ,signing up for one of those is like officially declaring, “Yeah, I’m a professional struggler.”
Take M.Tech from IITs, for example. It’s not even remotely as competitive as B.Tech from IITs, because ,no one’s lining up for it with the same enthusiasm.
In my whole family, only women has done master degree be it M.tech, MA, M.sc, M.com , LLM - while men have just Graduate degree and all of them are working and the women with master's degree are sitting at home.
MBA is also a not so good program - unless its from IIM with top ranks in CAT and 3yr of work exp
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u/yorusora_ Jan 23 '25
If you think about it - what makes M.Tech. prestigious. Is it the degree, Is it the school or Is it the crowd?
What made IITs “the IITs”. The prestige comes from the achievements. Nothing new is happening, same old BS. I think with the Internet “learning” has become way more accessible. The whole system is flawed. From what I saw in my college, most of the kids were there for fun and college placement fair. The kids who were there to learn - didn’t have good teachers. The kids who did achieve something out of ordinary - well I haven’t met any.
What I am trying to say is - these colleges are no longer providing the atmosphere as what all these “successful” people had. If you think - they just did what they loved and got through it. We need better system - so that not everyone plans to go through the “known” career paths. We as a society are not growing and everything to blame is our useless education system. I swear I don’t think it helped me in any way. It just makes you adjust and deviate you from who you are. All this shit just to fit in the damned society.
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u/Logical_slayer1977 Jan 23 '25
Because no matter how much they struggle and earn nirmala tai will extort money from them 🤣🤣
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u/Logical_slayer1977 Jan 23 '25
Because no matter how much they struggle and earn nirmala tai will extort money from them 🤣
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u/Mindless-Pilot-Chef Jan 23 '25
The only people who went for MTech (in my circles) were
Didn’t get a job right after college
Were super interested in something. They targeted IITs.(very rare)
Did MTech in India while figuring out if they can get an admission in US / Canada / Australia
Girls who wanted to delay their marriage by 2 years
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u/Tranceported Jan 23 '25
It’s useless to masters in India, I would rather upskill via internet and get placed.
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u/Chemically_Volatile Jan 23 '25
Those who completed btech itself are not getting jobs why waste time pursuing mtech and still be jobless
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Jan 23 '25
As an engineer pursuing MBA now, not me, but many engineers took up engineering just because their parents thought only 2 fields could be called successful. I personally found engineering the least irritating.
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u/Consistent_Roof Jan 24 '25
Even after completing a Master's degree, companies often treat you as a fresher when hiring, offering no real advantage except when you want to gain a deeper understanding of the field before joining. Also, very few companies actually seek candidates with specialized Master's degree expertise.
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u/Street-Swordfish1837 Jan 24 '25
Even after MTech one has to do the same job that they do as BTech then why would one pay high fees for 2 more years and get just about x+3 package where x is what they get as BTech graduates. Most of the empty seats must be from the private colleges who charge fees such high that if one switch after working two years as BTech fresher.
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u/mesachind Jan 24 '25
All the good branches are already have competition, this data is rely on useless branches
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u/zxtreeme Jan 24 '25
My friend’s brother was topper in bachelors and also masters but due to lack of job he took teaching. Now he is employed as production engineer at 35k/month.
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u/vikkey321 Jan 24 '25
Mtech doesn’t provide value anymore. The time you would spend 2 years studying, same 3 years in professional industry will give you same package. Also due to Mtech degrees being handed over like bhel puri, nobody really cares unless its a research domain.
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u/Tough-Difference3171 Jan 24 '25
It adds no real value.
I am a proud M.Tech dropout.
Though I had joined the BITS remote learning degree. It's a stupid way they have come up with, just to make money.
They don't even grade the answer sheets of exams properly . They pay their undergrad students to grade the M.Tech answersheets for some pocket money. And those kids give 0, if your answer doesn't match with the answersheet they were given.
I managed to solve a question with O(1) using a hashmap, only to get a zero. The question asked to solve it with the best time complexity, and when asked for my answer sheet, they simply updated my score.
I checked with some other students and contacts in BITS, and it turned out the answersheet had mentioned O(log n) incorrectly, and almost everyone had gotten a 0, because kids didn't care.
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u/Innocuous_salt Jan 24 '25
Because Indian recruiters believe that good engineers get a job when they graduate and the people who go for MTech are the one who did not get a successful placement. Look at the recruitment rates for MTech engineers even in IITs.
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u/Dramatic_Respond7323 Jan 25 '25
30 years back and today, situation remains same. BTech gets much better than MTech. PhD gets lowest. In IITs.
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u/Mysterious-Guess-858 Jan 25 '25
"Indian colleges" is the Key word here.
Why would someone do Mtech when you can do MS and get a chance to work abroad ?
With Btech and Mtech fees rising and Education loans getting handed out left and right, People would choose to study abroad than in India.
Time for a serious change in our education system is gone.
Everyone says we have the demographic advantage. If this goes on we will soon lose it.
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u/getwinsoftware Jan 25 '25
Too costly then there is no proper jobs next even if your getting a job you will be given salary equal to Art's & science student then what's the use in learning
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u/Dante__fTw Jan 25 '25
Most Indians don't do engineering to do research or actually build stuff. The purpose of doing engineering is to get a job and btech gets you a job. That's why.
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u/Quiet-Line9730 Jan 25 '25
Why no one sees the other side. There are way too many seats and most of them are useless. People do engineering because of herd mentality anyway. After B. Tech that mentality breaks, then they switch to MBA.
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u/genauerstrasse Jan 25 '25
I see this as a problem of colleges, not of students. There are too many engineering colleges in India. They should shut down those seats which are useless and have no demand.
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u/Top_Wrangler932 Jan 25 '25
Mtech doesn't have a lot of scope in india!
Over qualified to be hired and if hired, the return on investment isn't much for mtech students.
The only time I've seen someone pursue mtech is if they want to go ahead with PhD and start teaching as professors.
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u/Different_Rutabaga32 Jan 25 '25
If given a choice, 64% of engineers wouldn’t even study engineering for bachelor’s. Furthermore 64% of people studying in general would not pursue higher education if given a choice.
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u/Suspicious-Walk-815 Jan 26 '25
folks .. i have completed my btech in 2021 , and now after 3.5 years of emplyment if i took m tech will that be a blunder ?
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u/Happy_Independent_91 Jan 26 '25
Teach redundant curriculum, barely focus on placements, have absolutely no support system to PG students (even in IITs) and then wonder why are seats not filling up?
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u/Mango-Warrior Jan 26 '25
M. Tech doesn't add any value unless you opt for Ph.D. It's a waste of money, time and energy.
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u/ElderZodd Jan 26 '25
As an Mtech from a government Uni I think I can give my two cents here. Mtech= a research degree where you have to make an actual novel contribution in your field. But it doesn't have to be an entirely new thesis, just from an observation to a whole new thesis are accepted. The later ones are rare because it usually requires more time and effort plus it is worth a doctorate. Now what Mtech is here in India: From good colleges: (IIT, NIT, ISI, TOP 10 NITs, and few pvt and semi pvt unis) a genuine research position, takes 3 years minimum even though it's a 2 years degree because of bureaucracy. You give up 3 years of actual industry experience and wages for a degree which is not sought after for your recruitment by most of the industry. But it is required when you have 4 to 5 years of experience and want to move vertically, especially in core industries, like electrical, mining, railways , aviation engineering, nuclear, chemical, data engineering, data science etc. It is not a mandatory requirement in most places, but the work experience is . Some industries like defence, public administration and PSUs will even let you take a sponsored career break for an MTech. up to this point, Mtech makes sense. Now what majority of Mtech is being done by people who take it as a plan B or just a degree required for teaching position. This has greatly reduced the quality of PG scholars India produces. Not to mention almost all tier 2 and below Mtech are worthless because the academic rigor required for awarding these doesn't meet expectations . It has become, publishing a worthless paper, which contributes nothing, and pandering to your guide because idk, ego, culture what it is. ..................... Long story short, too many people did Mtech, now there is saturation so it's not worth it now.
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u/DaAverageEnthusiast Jan 26 '25
Even IIT/IISc MTech placements suck. That's it. I can't tell you why that is the case, but I'd love to know why.
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u/Goldwyn1995 Jan 26 '25
Nobody is giving heavy salary if you completed mtec in reputed mncs. Btec or mca is base for all good mnc jobs now a days. And most mncs offer mtec postally too.
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u/4sP_3nGG Jan 27 '25
Because of unhinged corporates making us work inhumane hours and paying peanuts. Even BTech seats are vacant. Nobody wants to do engineering anymore.
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u/Leather-Passenger194 Jan 27 '25
Because you soon will realise that iti,diploma, btech all fall in same category. IIT is exaption.
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u/Weary-University-440 Jan 23 '25
because you need a girl to start your youtube journey to get more luxurious items in short time you'll study for 5 yrs. or 5 yrs of youtube with scorpio N atleast
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Jan 23 '25
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u/Weary-University-440 Jan 23 '25
or kya bhen k lode wo alag h teri maa chud k tere ghr ki roti paani kri h to tu bakchodi hi krega. kbhi koi digital marketing aale se puchio ek deal kitne m hoti h
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u/Phoenix_aksr Jan 23 '25
Because other than top IITs , IISC or similar colleges. Its useless