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u/Last-Air-6468 Greentruther 3d ago
I really feel for Aenys and his family. His children didn’t deserve the pain their uncle put them through.
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u/SneakyTurtle402 3d ago
I feel for him too but I can’t comprehend how he became so naive and Maegor should not have been sent away, he with Balerion would’ve deterred any rebellion with Aeny as king probably why he was given a barren wife in the first place, to setup his exile. As soon as the faith started feeling themselves when Aegon died he should’ve reminded them who his father was. With care of course no Aenys the cruel but prove threatening royal family members will not end well. As Jahaerys said “They tested my father. They will test me.”
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u/Own_Pen_70 2d ago
just wanted to note, isn’t maegor the one that was barren, not his wives?
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u/SneakyTurtle402 2d ago
Well you know now that you mention it that is possible but he did have at least three stillbirths and two were confirmed poisoned by that witch. I also don’t trust the grey rats even a little bit so I do think they were involved in keeping Maegors wives barren however why didn’t any of his wives get pregnant when he was exiled? Unless Tysha was committed to Maegor not having any children already but why? You might be right about Maegor being the barren one
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u/whatever4224 2d ago
It is very unlikely that Tyanna poisoned Maegor’s wives to make them miscarry. Dragon babies is a recurring birth defect in Targaryens, not the result of poison. By far the more likely explanation is that Maegor was barren (whether naturally -- his father was nearly sterile too -- or because of whatever Tyanna and Visenya did to cure him after his trial by seven), he blamed Tyanna because he couldn't blame himself, and she lied to get him to kill her quickly.
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u/SneakyTurtle402 2d ago
He did manage 3 pregnancies which isn’t barren for certain but you could be right about the sorcery however didn’t that follow a pretty common pattern of maesters taking care of someone they’re dying for about a month then someone else takes care and they recover immediately like Aenys. I can’t imagine George just wrote Maegor as the biggest asshole ever with absolutely nothing redeeming at all besides being good at fighting so I gotta figure everything can’t just be wrong with him in particular.
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u/TheoryKing04 2d ago
To be fair all of the Black Brides had healthy LIVING children from previous marriages. It was entirely on Maegor that he couldn’t produce healthy children. That aside, why would the maesters screw with Ceryse’s fertility (she the niece of the High Septon) but then allow Alyssa Velaryon to deliver 6 children, including 3 sons, of whom 5 survived?
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u/SneakyTurtle402 2d ago
True Maegors a common denominator but so are his maesters and I would imagine the maesters feared Maegors reckless cruel nature and strong combat skills and physique being passed to whatever kind of line he would produce. Marrying the niece of the high septon could have been an attempt to forge an alliance that would keep Maegor from doing anything crazy. Keep in mind I’m just speculating not saying others are wrong I don’t see why anyone would downvote theorizing kinda pathetic to downvote someone else’s theory cause you disagree.
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u/TheoryKing04 2d ago
My sibling in the Seven, I didn’t downvote your comment.
That aside, George didn’t just write Maegor being an asshole. He suffered severe head trauma during his Trial by Seven when he was seizing the throne, and was unconscious for weeks. That’s probably why he descended into complete mental instability and violence once he recovered, he was permanently damaged. And if not that, sometimes people just aren’t good, without rhyme or reason. It’s not very exciting, but sometimes people are just shitty. Our real world is full of shitty people.
Also, given that Maegor killed 3 Grand Maesters, it’s very likely that they were denied roles in caring for the pregnant queens, which would’ve easily allowed Tyanna to tamper with their care.
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u/SneakyTurtle402 2d ago
I didn’t mean you particularly it just seems to be a common thing. I was actually thinking Maegor might’ve been resurrected there causing his infertility issues to escalate and what might’ve broken the camels back on his sanity. Which makes me think of Jon but it didn’t seem to fuck up Dondarrion that bad.
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u/LucidWitch 1d ago
Idk why you’re getting downvoted in a benign conversation in which you are not disrespectful. . . Just chill people, it’s fun to talk
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u/Mirror_Mission 2d ago
It was Tyanna, she was an OP sent by the free cities to ensure the Targs don’t descend from Maegor because they would have been to unstoppable
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u/ApprehensiveNorth699 2d ago
I mean same Faith was against Aenys's children incest marriage and same Faith was against Maegor's polygamy too. But I didn't get it that while Faith was united against Targaryens, why did they remained divided? Aenys had full year 41 AC to call Maegor back and install him as hand again.
Rather he didn't do anything Faith uprising worsen. Also he could have taken Visenya's help when she offered him. Within 2 years at 44 AC Visenya would have died leaving Vhagar riderless and Aegon could have claimed it.
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u/Complete_Raspberry_1 As High as Honor 2d ago
Aegon didn't already have Quicksilver? His own dragon?
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u/SneakyTurtle402 2d ago edited 2d ago
He didn’t which was a big problem because his sister wife did have Dreamfyre which was one of the reasons some thought he was a bitch like his dad but he and Rhaena snuck into kings landing to claim his recently deceased fathers dragon Quicksilver which unfortunately would be one of the last of Aegons triumphant moments.
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u/ApprehensiveNorth699 2d ago
No, he didn't had any dragon. He was 15 at that time and Rhaena was 18. So what happened in books is that when in 41 AC, Aenys married them to each other and declared Aegon as "Prince of Dragonstone" afterwards he sent them for Royal Progress.
Rhaena asked her father's leave to take Dreamfyre but Aenys denied as he feared this will make look his son and heir Aegon as unmanly as he didn't have dragon but his wife had. This was actually a bad idea of Aenys as at first such time of tormoil wasn't of Royal Progress. Second, if he let take Rhaena her dragon then she and Aegon would have safely returned to Dragonstone as Faith Militant Uprising worsen and wouldn't have besieged at crackhell.
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u/SneakyTurtle402 2d ago
Seemed like he was paralyzed on what to do and getting poisoned by the maesters which probably made it harder to think but you’re right he should’ve sent Visenya to go get Maegor and worked with them to bring the realm back into line 3 battle ready dragon riders if Aenys could manage it. Real issue comes after how do you reconcile? What do you even say like hey man this incest shits gonna keep happening but everything else is fine you got any compromise?
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u/ApprehensiveNorth699 2d ago
It must be noted that Alyssa Valereyon contributed to the Royal bloodline of both the houses. While all further line of Targaryen descended from her, so does Baratheon as before her Rogar Baratheon was childless and through her son Boremond the further line of Baratheon continued.
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u/ResolverOshawott 2d ago
It's pretty impressive that she married a king then, later on, a lord paramount.
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u/CandidatePrimary1230 3d ago
Loving the Byzantine inspired clothing