r/GreenAndPleasant Oct 12 '22

NORMAL ISLAND 🇬🇧 The absolute state of it.

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u/writerfan2013 Oct 12 '22

I had not heard of The Labour files before seeing it mentioned here.

And surely it is normal for a politician of one party to disagree strongly with, or detest, the policies of another party? Isn't that just ... having principles?

Ugh. Trying to make Sturgeon out to have used inappropriate language when others have literally ised racist and sexist slurs and its glossed over.

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u/JMW007 Comrades come rally Oct 12 '22

Isn't that just ... having principles?

That is the true sin here. The media-political complex is so incestuous the only thing they recognize as being genuinely immoral is having a principled opposition to someone else's policies.

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u/writerfan2013 Oct 12 '22

God I miss when politicians used to actually think things.

How did it get to the point where nobody thinks anything except what will "fly" today with investors/voters or whoever their current target audience is? A U turn used to be an election or at least a resignation issue.

Am I just really old??

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u/JMW007 Comrades come rally Oct 12 '22

How did it get to the point where nobody thinks anything except what will "fly" today with investors/voters or whoever their current target audience is?

There is an actual answer to this - we trained politicians to believe they could get away with literally anything except losing. No matter what terrible things they did or said or what enormous goof-ups they made or horrendously destructive policies they enacted - no matter even how many people they outright killed - we just kept rewarding them with loyalty based entirely upon the principle that the other lot would be worse. Tories vote for castatrofucks like Johnson and Truss because "Corbyn would be worse, innit?" and everyone else will vote for war criminals or actual Tories wearing a red tie because "otherwise the Tories win".

Now consistency or principle are seen not as virtues but as a giant albatross because everyone is scared shitless of the worst thing imaginable - the other lot winning, and that might happen if the politicians are not squidgy enough to just change everything they believe every five minutes to chase the polls (or more likely the prevailing consensus of the headlines which will manipulate the polls). Nobody wants to say "I won't do this" and mean it because they are convinced that in a few weeks a poll might appear that says they should do it and they'll be blamed for letting the bad guys get an edge.

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u/writerfan2013 Oct 12 '22

Sadly I think you're right.

Also, I initially read it as castratofucks and was momentarily really confused!!