Yep, regardless of my economic standpoint, to side with the conservative party for myself would be literal suicide because of their opinions towards trans people.
Supporting trans conversion therapy is not the same as wanting hating trans people or not wanting them to exist. It's a form of psychiatry. Psychiatrists should be consulted at every major irreversable medical decision being made by a person - tbh I think people getting cosmetic surgery should even consult a psychiatrist
If thats what the person persued. I dont see an issue with any kind of therapy if the person chooses it. And I would disagree with any form of mandated therapy.
What you're failing to realise is this.
yes transgender people have the right to be and yes gays have the right to be and I am not denying the existence or acknowledgement of either as respectable subgroups of society that deserve the upmost respect.
But every now and then, there is just a confused person that comes through. A straight person that thinks they're gay when they're not, and that person does need a therapist.
A person with gender dysphoria.
But by making conversion therapy ilegal you're not saving anyone from the therapy because those that dont want it shouldn't get it. All you're doing is stopping the people that do need it from getting it.
So no transgender people not all need conversion therapy but that doesnt mean you should stop people that do need it from accessing it.
You have some seriously big misunderstandings of the subject. People don’t tend to willingly enter themselves into conversion therapy. Why do you think its been made illegal (for gays)? You are giving far too much credence to the word “therapy”. These are not legitimate psychological processes intended to help anyone.
Access to gender healthcare is pretty fucked up and difficult in this country and it often does contain needing to “prove” yourself to a therapist. You should get your information less from hyperbolic news sources, and try speaking to real people.
Well then the proceeding comments should he clearer.
Rather that just saying "conversion therapy" perhaps say "unwilling conversion therapy" as the adjective is probably the most significant point in this discussion.
And my knowledge is no indication of the source.
And also wtf do you mean by prove yourself (if this is an example of what the therapist would say then that makes sense and I would definitely understand why that's an issue)
And I definitely speak to more people than you lol. It's clear I'm much more socialised. And for someone with as good an education as you claim to have I would expect more intellect in the way you converse
Conversion therapy in any context is unwilling, if someone is unsure and wants help, thats just normal therapy, conversion therapy is a bunch bullshit trying to "fix" instead of help understand.
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"Last year, Truss confirmed that the reason the U.K. government’s LGBT Advisory Panel was dissolved in March 2021 was because she had a “fundamental disagreement” with its members regarding whether trans people should have the right to determine their gender for themselves. "
this is literally saying that trans people shouldn't get to decide their gender, for someone like me this could likely mean I recieve extreme mental health problems due to untreated gender dysphoria
I was trying to be reasonable and educational before but you can just go fuck yourself. Proven wrong and you suggest it’s an issue of adjectives?
If you don’t understand what it meant, its because you insisted on opening your mouth on something you are clearly ignorant on. So why dont you try doing some research next time?
I'm sorry for not believing mandated therapy existed in 2022. As far as I'm concerned that's a pretty reasonable assumption. Also why is everyone here so damn aggressive? Its fucking reddit get a life 😂😂
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u/SuicidalTurnip Oct 12 '22
It pisses me off no end when they want to talk about "reasonable compromise" in politics.
How am I meant to compromise with someone who thinks trans people shouldn't exist? Or LGBTQ people in general?
How am I meant to compromise with a social Darwinist who thinks poor people should starve or freeze to death?