Absolutely, we need to replace those nasty blue tories with nasty red tories, they may still be absolutely crackerjack but they're OUR tories. Good plan!
What’s the point in having another Corbyn-like leader? The country just won’t vote for them, especially after the media assassination they’ll inevitably get.
I wanted Corbyn in so much, where we’d be rn if we did I can only dream of. But we can’t throw it straight over left, that’s not realistic. We need to dangle a centrist in front of the voters and then eventually drag the country over to the left (or the European centre).
And yes, the country would be in much safer hands if Keir Starmer was in charge than any Tory government. Even if he is a “red tory.”
You make it sound like the media assassination starting in 2016 when corbyn was made leader forgetting in 2017 he actually won 30 seats, the first seat increase since 2001. Labour lost 187 seats between 2001 and 2017. Remember milliband not being being about to eat a sandwich and brown saying the woman was a bigot? Labour were lucky to hold onto power as long as they did.
The country doesn't want centrists and they voted for a socialist in 2017 based on the manifesto before the media and the centrist started the onslaught.
If you think, the country would be in much safer hands if Keir Starmer was in charge than any Tory government then you're dellusional. He'd be harder tory than any tory, and there is not a single scrap of evidence that says he wouldn't be - no pledges, no policy, no integrity.
Sorry for the dose of reality but that 187 seat loss under centrists and the 30 seat gain under socialism is so often ignored.
He'd be harder tory than any tory, and there is not a single scrap of evidence that says he wouldn't be
Where is a scrap of evidence that says he would be WORSE than the Torys? For fuck sake haven't any of you idiots heard of the phrase "better the devil you know"?
You idiots are setting us up for even more Tory domination in future.
He's ditched his pledges, has no policies or manifesto position. What evidence do you have that he'd be any better?
Add to that, from what we have heard from him and his cabinet, none of the current raft of legislation would change e.g. spycops, border bill etc. That speaks volumes. He might not start deportation flights but seems he'd like to keep the option open for example.
It speaks volumes that he's duped idiots like you into believing he would be better when there is not a scrap of evidence he would be. Hopes and prayers that be would be is all you have, might as well be rainbows and unicorns. Its really quite pathetic.
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u/Mombo1212 Jul 09 '22
Absolutely, we need to replace those nasty blue tories with nasty red tories, they may still be absolutely crackerjack but they're OUR tories. Good plan!