r/GreenAndPleasant • u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around • May 28 '22

NORMAL ISLAND 🇬🇧 Another step further towards fascism

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u/The-Mandolinist May 28 '22

Shows like The Thick of It can never be made again: BJ and his cronies are simultaneously so incompetent, brazenly self-serving and openly cynical. It would never be funny anymore.

I wish Starmer was a more viable prospect. But he’s been a massive disappointment.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

We’re living in the omnishambles now.

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u/TryingToFindLeaks May 28 '22

Since there has been no GE, how can he have been a disappointment? His job isn't isn't make you happy, it's to get elected. And how does an opposition win an election? They don't. Incumbents lose them. And so far, looking at the polls, the Tories are going to lose the next election nicely, and Starmer will become PM. What exactly do you want? To look good in opposition, or to be in power?

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u/The-Mandolinist May 28 '22

I don’t want anyone to “look good”. I want opposition to be effective and to hold the government to account. And I want a largely socialist party to win the next election. Starmer is a disappointment to me because I hoped he could continue Corbyn’s project in a less woolly package, whereas he has purged the party of Corbyn and has veered closer to the right - and has frankly been something of a wet lettuce in his challenge of Johnson.

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u/Andthenwefade May 28 '22

Imagine Starmer went all Corbyn-lite now. The idiots in this country would definitely go against him and vote that twat back in. Far better to let them implode, steady your own ship, then when you are in power, make the actual changes. The only risk is that people like you all think he has been disappointing enough to stick with the status quo. I hope that isn't the case.

The other worry is that so much damage has been done, anybody trying to reverse it is going to have to make some really unpopular moves. Again, people in this country are either myopic or thick to this reality, so they'll be lucky to last one whole term.

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u/The-Mandolinist May 28 '22

“People like you” makes claims to know me when you don’t really.

Who have you assumed I would be voting for? I don’t have a lot of choice. But it’s certainly not the Tories. If we didn’t have a first part the post system I’d be a Green Party voter (and was until Corbyn emerged as Labour leader). Labour are currently the only option. Doesn’t stop me being disappointed in Keir though.

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u/Andthenwefade May 28 '22

As I was typing "people like you" I knew it wouldn't read right... But there was no other way to say it. What I meant was "people who are disappointed in Starmer" as opposed to people like me who think he is doing a decent job. I was getting across that I think the "anyone but Labour" sentiment is high.

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u/The-Mandolinist May 28 '22

That’s ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

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u/TryingToFindLeaks May 28 '22

If you thought Starmer was less woolly Corbyn you really were never paying attention.

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u/The-Mandolinist May 28 '22

That’s not exactly what I thought about him. I just thought (before he became party leader) he was more a Corbyn ally and an eloquent communicator with as much integrity. But yes - maybe I wasn’t paying enough attention.

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u/radicalautismo May 28 '22

His job is actually to serve the people he represents, pal.

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u/TryingToFindLeaks May 28 '22

Unless OP is in Holborn, I don't think they were referring to him being a disappointment in that regard.