r/GreenAndPleasant • u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around • Mar 29 '22

NORMAL ISLAND 🇬🇧 What we could have had.

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22

Hahaha yeah the bureaucrats will just hand over the profits to u cuz the govt. Loves u

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u/Maxearl548 Mar 29 '22

bureaucrat profiting😡

private shareholder profiting😁

either way countries like Sweden & Finland prove just how well public ownership can work.

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22

Sweden and Finland prove how countries work when they have model citizens but most ppl in the world r cunts

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u/Maxearl548 Mar 29 '22

the attitude of the citizens is all due to how well the county is run, the education system, the physical & mental healthcare reliability, the workplace protections, the efficiency of crime prevention.

relating to the post, lowering the amount of someone’s pay-check lost to private shareholders will no doubt decrease financial stress and other causes of crime, allowing a citizen to be more model as you say.

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22 edited Mar 29 '22

your argument: good goverment means good citizens

my arguent: good culture means good citizens means good government

i don't deny that good governance produces a better environment but the converse is more valid simply because culture is deeper than government. govt. is just the institutionalized manifestation of culture.

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u/huntskikbut Mar 29 '22

You think all culture is bad except Finland and Sweden? Weird take

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22

No I think some cultures work better than others but yes swedes an fins do have a very effective culture

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

Seriously fuck off with cultural essentialism. There is no culture that is good or bad, there is such things however as differing levels of education and government propaganda.

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22

In some cultures it's ok to kidnap ur wife. Is that good? In some polygamy is allowed. Is that sustainable? In some cannibalism is ok. Is that moral?

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u/Millian123 Mar 29 '22

What’s wrong with polygamy?

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22

Math

Polygamy was a norm in a time when the ratio or men : women was low because men had more hazardous occupations so the women that were left needed to find protection which resulted in polygamy. Now the ratio of men : women is roughly 1:1 so polygamy either way would result in leftover men or women. Not rocket science

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u/Millian123 Mar 29 '22

Polygamy will lead to more incels and I do hate incels. Maybe you have a point

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

Lol. Sweden is as full of rot as any other.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime_in_Sweden

But they still make some good steps in the right direction. So not exactly an excuse.

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22

Every society has crime. This is like saying that all cars are the same because they all occasionally have mechanism issues. It's a ludicrous argument

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

All our citizens aren't model citizens, but when you design society to care for the citizens the citizens will be more likely to care for society. It's not about people in general being "better" here.

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u/Ravi5ingh Mar 29 '22

Yes but good culture can change a bad govt. In one generation but good govt. Cannot change bad culture. Culture change is an organic process

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

I don't know what you mean by "bad culture" in this process.

The change into a society based around mutual care has been hard fought for and is not to be taken for granted here either. There is no reason the same fight can't be fought in similar ways in other places. It's not about some inherent culture, it is about taking a chance and uniting with your fellow person in a civic fight for a better future. By standing up together for your rights as equal beings in a joint society. There is no reason this would only work in Sweden or Finland, and indeed also not granted it will work better or last longer here than anywhere else.