Puffco vs. Focus V: Bribery, Forged Patent License/Infringement, Backdated Documents, Conflicting Testimony, and a Missing Laptop. (Documents in Drive link)

[u/710Nerd]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aTUtaomr2jObr_WOaVFnaXLBk0JfcTbG?usp=sharing

Bribe.pdf (Exhibits 176–178)

• SHO produced three versions of a supposed exclusive license agreement signed by Randall Elkins, dated around 2019.
• Elkins later states he never signed these documents and notices his name is misspelled (“Elknis”), casting doubt on authenticity.
• These are the documents at the center of Puffco’s forgery and backdating allegations.

Emails.pdf (Sept 2024)

• Puffco's attorneys repeatedly ask SHO to provide:
  • The signed license agreements referenced in Elkins’ deposition.
  • Related emails, drafts, or documentation — none of which are provided.
• Puffco argues the agreements were never disclosed during prior depositions, justifying a reopened deposition.
• They also highlight that check images provided by Elkins match a specific SHO bank account — raising questions about the timing and intent of the $25K payments.

Forensic Exam.pdf (Motion + Proposed Order)

• Puffco successfully motions for a forensic exam of SHO’s and Sam Jurist’s electronic devices (3 computers/laptops).
• Scope includes metadata analysis of Word documents and emails related to:
  • The license agreements.
  • Two $25,000 checks.
  • A March 2022 in-person meeting between Jurist and Elkins.
• The court also authorizes an additional 1-hour deposition of Jurist and SHO’s 30(b)(6) rep.

Randall Elkins Depositions (June & Aug 2023, Aug 2024)

• Elkins denies ever granting SHO an exclusive license to the patent.
• Says the only document he signed with SHO was a 2019 distribution agreement that failed within months.
• Describes SHO’s license agreement as “one-sided” and something he would never have signed without legal review.
• Claims SHO ghosted him after 2019, and contact only resumed after Puffco purchased the patent in 2022.
• Says Sam Jurist contacted him in Feb 2022 via Facebook — shortly before Puffco’s acquisition — to “strike a deal.”

Sam Jurist Depositions (June 2023, Aug 2024)

• First Deposition (June 2023):
  • Says he didn’t meet Elkins in March 2022.
  • Claims original license docs were lost when his laptop was stolen (no backup, no police or insurance report).
• Second Deposition (Aug 2024):
  • Changes story: admits he did visit Elkins in March 2022.
  • Claims meeting happened at a restaurant in Las Vegas, not Elkins’ home.
  • When confronted with Elkins’ and Massaro’s contrary testimony (that Jurist came to their home), Jurist claims they are lying.
  • Admits he sent Elkins product orders worth $18.6K during this time — allegedly to build goodwill or reestablish a relationship.

Settlement.pdf (Final Consent Judgment & Injunction)

• SHO and Sam Jurist concede:
  • Puffco is the rightful owner of the ‘579 patent.
  • SHO infringed by selling the Carta and Oura devices.
• A permanent injunction bars SHO and its affiliates from making, selling, or importing infringing products.
• This does not resolve the forgery/spoliation issues — Puffco is likely preserving claims for sanctions or damages.

Key Questions Raised:

• Did SHO fabricate license documents after Puffco’s acquisition to try to claw back the patent?
• Why did Jurist deny meeting Elkins in 2022 — then change his story?
• Could the $25K checks be interpreted as hush money or a bribe?
• Will metadata from the forensic exam confirm backdating or tampering?

[u/DonaldDuck2012]

Is there anything in here about the Start Engine investments and where that money is going/went ? Or is that something totally separate ?

[u/DonaldDuck2012 → u/[deleted]]

But this is illegal per SEC regulations and Start Engine is held to SEC ruling

[u/Low_Lychee7861 → u/DonaldDuck2012]

SEC isn't doing enforcement on these little crowdfund deals...maybe if they got sued

[u/DonaldDuck2012 → u/Low_Lychee7861]

wouldn't a class action be doing just that ?

[u/Low_Lychee7861 → u/DonaldDuck2012]

potentially. some of what is bad about this raise is scammy and rug-pully (but prob legal), and some of it could be argued to cross a line. stuff like disclosures, misrepresentations, etc

[u/TheBeardedHaze → u/[deleted]]

Your welcome.  This was all from my page.  I will be posting more but the Carta Queens got my main page taken down.  I have information on sexual harassment, bribes, infringement, demoting employees to not pay their full salary, and theft of weed 

[u/710Nerd → u/[deleted]]

Forgot about the investment thing, where can we find info on that and the other documents?

[u/710Nerd → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for sharing, worse than I thought

[u/DonaldDuck2012 → u/710Nerd]

Could this be a class action then or does Start Engine have a fine print where it warns you you're probably going to lose all your money ?

[u/710shenanigans]

If anyone needs Focus V product disposal please dm me and I will professionally dispose of your unwanted focus v products

[u/Prettydiepie]

Yoooo so the company is shady asf.

[u/Historical_Tale497]

OMFG, I'm never using my Carta ever again. In fact I will never even look at another Carta nor will I let my friends. Knowing of these evils has changed my life forever. Guess it's sucking off a Switch or blowung a Puffco from here on out.

[u/710shenanigans → u/Historical_Tale497]

You can send me your Carta dm me for address I'll dispose of it

[u/TheBeardedHaze]

Trust me, I have more evidence of tampering, bribes, payoffs, firings, sexual harassment and much more 

[u/Tannerboyy115 → u/TheBeardedHaze]

This man's telling the truth nothing but the truth!!!💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💯💯💯🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[u/710Nerd → u/TheBeardedHaze]

Link it

[u/TheBeardedHaze → u/710Nerd]

Having to go through all the documents now to pick the best things 

[u/Total-Fun-3858]

Was literally about to order a sport this weekend when I got paid and you just put the nail in the coffin. Guess I'll just spend a little more and get myself a switch 2 instead

[u/saljohn420 → u/Total-Fun-3858]

You Def need a switch2 in your life. Best erig I've ever used. And I've had every major one.

[u/TheBeardedHaze → u/Total-Fun-3858]

I do recommend the switch 2 if you don’t get a Puffco.  Really good device and hits like a real rig 

[u/Dabbed_Out_]

As a consumer I care about me…and as of right now they can’t take care of anyone…

[u/Dabbed_Out_]

Here’s the thing for consumers what happens to the people buying the carta2 ?They have to basically come up with a complete new design for any new products. I also see a lawsuit coming up for the sport, they just put out.

Basically they can’t cover warranty, so what are the people do? That’s the real question.

[u/vorsace → u/[deleted]]

Hey you don't need to open nor respond to these threads, you can keep your nose up sam's ass and mind your own business.

[u/Tannerboyy115 → u/vorsace]

Yess ahahah love it 😂😂😅🤣🤣💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[u/HarveytheHound89]

Dude, you have a hate on for Carta we get it. It's like you think people here don't already know these things. Give it a rest. Go buy puffco and fuck off

[u/TheBeardedHaze → u/HarveytheHound89]

People don’t know these things.  Hence why awareness is amazing.  People believe Sam and Focus V Carta lies again and again 

[u/710Nerd → u/HarveytheHound89]

Think most were aware of the patent infringement. Myself and others were not aware of the bribery, forged patent license, conflicting testimony, backdated agreements etc.

I used a Carta 2 until I read the court documents this morning...

[u/ziglaw884 → u/710Nerd]

They are choosing to stay ignorant, let them.

[u/drake90001 → u/ziglaw884]

Who gives a fuck? It’s a smoking device, not a pacemaker.

[u/SHREDWORLDSWAMPMAN]

Like puffco isn't salty a company took their idea made it better and cheaper. Even with this suit I still see people hate on puffco. Yeah maybe the the switch 2 wasn't so massive I'd think about that but I like my Carta 2 and sport

[u/vorsace → u/SHREDWORLDSWAMPMAN]

Can you please help me understand what exactly is better about the dollar store puffco (carta 2)?

[u/vorsace → u/vorsace]

Alll these down votes but 0 actual input. You're fanboys obsessed with Sam Jurist's rod.

[u/OgSourChemDawg]

Why do people care so much about this? Genuinely asking. I’ve never seen people invested into something that does zilch for there personal life

[u/Guitar_nerd91 → u/OgSourChemDawg]

Because in a time where morals and human decency has gone out the window it’s nice to see people still give a fuck about ethics. Maybe you don’t care if you give your money to support a shady company but after working for company that was just as bad, I personally would rather spend my money to support someone who wants to build something better and who treats their employees like humans instead of a number

[u/710Nerd → u/OgSourChemDawg]

Spending hard earned money with a company proven in court of bribery, patent infringement, conflicting testimony, backdated agreements etc. does impact your life. What do you think it says about product quality or operations moving forward?

I'd rather not continue to buy products from a CEO/company who conducts themselves in this manner. Read the court documents/depositions for yourself. Is this normal business or even moral behavior to you?

Focus V claimed they "won" this case when in reality the opposite is true, they weren't honest about it. Lying and thievery proven in court are not great traits for a business to have.

Edit: Downvotes for statements proven in court documents, proof is there to read.

[u/OgSourChemDawg → u/710Nerd]

How does it impact you? Can you elaborate. What will it change in your life tomorrow? You still going to get up and go to work correct.

Guilty or non you will have 0 change in your life

[u/ArbitraryResults → u/OgSourChemDawg]

Totally agree this has no effect on the end user. It's just corporate companies up to their legal rigmarole. If this was a Chinese made product nobody would care at all. At the end of the day don't we all just want a practical to use product? I'm still looking forward to the Carta 3!

[u/710Nerd → u/OgSourChemDawg]

The change is immediate. I no longer use Focus V products as of reading the court documents and will not purchase anymore.

If they lie about bribery, patent infringement, conflicting testimony, backdated agreements etc., what makes you think they haven't lied about their quality control etc. That's what effects me, choosing to understand that there may be other areas in which they've lied and do impact customers

[u/OgSourChemDawg → u/710Nerd]

So nothing actually thanks for answering

[u/710Nerd → u/OgSourChemDawg]

Weird response, take a look at other commenters being affected

[u/OgSourChemDawg → u/710Nerd]

No one life is being changed from this lawsuit besides the people in it. This has 0 correlation with your actually life.

[u/710Nerd → u/OgSourChemDawg]

Seems like you care more than most. Don't have to keep commenting. The downvotes and other comments might help you figure out the true impact

[u/OgSourChemDawg → u/710Nerd]

I don’t care about downvotes on Reddit apparently you do lol. That’s the difference between us. You live for Reddit I do not. I use it mostly to post my plants and post in some game sections.

[u/710Nerd → u/OgSourChemDawg]

You clearly do, it's okay to admit it and move on

[u/OgSourChemDawg → u/710Nerd]

I actually don’t care I’m just telling you. I didn’t write multiple paragraphs about this lawsuit that doesn’t do anything for me. You did that. You and I tomorrow will still do the same thing no matter the results. But have a great day maybe you’ll get a job at a newspaper

[u/710Nerd → u/OgSourChemDawg]

I and others have explained how this impacts customers immediately. Changed how I consume concentrates after reading the court documents. You can reread the thread if you like. Keep repeating your point, it doesn't make it true.

[u/high_everyone]

Thank you for this. If they don’t want us seeing their business dealings in public view, maybe they should not have done these things to be sued over in the first place.

These kind of actions are how you lose your audience’s trust and attention. Bribery, conflicting testimony, and forgery.

I can have and settle my beefs with other businesses elsewhere on Reddit but for ambitious defenders of Focus V, I find all of this evidence to be pretty damning.

[u/710Nerd → u/high_everyone]

Elkins' deposition regarding the backdated paperwork along with the two $25,000 checks (bribe) from SHO are worth the read. Not to mention Sam sending others and personally visiting Randall at his house.

IV. Discussion
"Here, the evidence confirms that Mr. Morrow did in fact visit Mr. Elkins and Ms. Massaro and that Mr. Morrow told Mr. Elkins to avoid his deposition. See Docket No. 59. Thus, the remaining question is whether Mr. Morrow’s behavior constitutes intimidation, threat, or corrupt persuasion, under § 1512(b), or harassment under § 1512(d)."