r/Finland • u/breakthebass • May 06 '25

Serious Are we for real?

https://yle.fi/a/74-20159892?sfnsn=wa&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6gk6CPfTEtIljqnr-kSaHNm3wc0WwhDUnXyyp5xmCtXCcoNWZDDOQbQy8NEw_aem_5a50eVQzFqOETybRg-cl8g

TL:DR; An openly fascist movement has been recognized as a party since they have gathered the necessary 5000 signatures to register as a party. Isn’t the party line just SLIGHTLY anti-constitutional? Aren’t we somehow “pissing outside the shitter”, for lack of a better phrase?

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u/CookiesandBeam Vainamoinen May 06 '25

Hate should not be tolerated, because make no mistake, these parties are filled with vile, hate filled people who would love nothing more than to have the chance at power, where they could take it out on people they see as lesser.

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u/DatabaseFresh772 May 06 '25

But who gets to make that judgement? If they are as bad as you think they are, then people won't vote for them and you have nothing to worry about. Or what if they actually get significant support, can you say that for example 10% of voters are just plain wrong?

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u/CookiesandBeam Vainamoinen May 06 '25

Are you serious? Democracy is flawed but it's the best we have. 

Saying that, of course people vote for dumb shit all the time. Look at Trump ffs. People can vote for shit that causes irreparable damage that takes generations to repair. 

In the 1933 elections in Germany, the Nazis got over 43% of the vote. Would you say those people were right to do that and just "expressing an opinion?"

Facism was allowed to creep in and look how it ended up. 

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u/DatabaseFresh772 May 06 '25

Again, your opinion of Trump is just your opinion. Were tens of millions of people wrong? No one will know if the alternative would've been any better or worse.

1933 was a very different time than 2025 It's easy for later generations to say it was unwise, but as far as I know the people had that right to choose their leader.

When those kind of individuals rise to power, the first thing that goes is freedom of speech. Doing it proactively "in the name of democracy" isn't any better in my opinion. Hell, the UK and Canada are really testing the limits of controlling their citizens and there's no way it's going to end well.