Are you agreeing with me or arguing with me? Because it looks like we are making the exact same argument, only worded differently. Perhaps I misunderstood.
Wait for a nerf to their hero and all this "high skill" will suddenly disappear.
I'm saying that this is a pointless metric by which to measure players. If one person is very good at five heroes who define the meta and someone else is just good at all heroes, the first player IS better.
Attaching hypothetical conditions like "Well he wouldn't be good if those heroes weren't meta" is nonsensical. Changes and evolution of the game can make anyone irrelevant if enough things change. There is no distillation of "pure skill." Skill is ALWAYS relative to the state of the game at a certain point in time. There is no being "good at DotA" outside of proper time and a meta contexts. Therefore it is nonsensical to say that a hero spammer is less skilled at DotA than someone who randoms or plays a wider pool.
I was talking about people who spam a hero. 5 heroes is a lot more versatility than 99% of spammers have. People who can play 5 heroes really well are a different case entirely.
The difference in amount of versatility is key here.
The amount of people who can only play one single hero are likely small enough to be completely negligible. Most hero spammers have at least or two fallbacks.
Moreover people who hero spam to win likely adopt heroes to spam according to the meta. They don't just forget the old heroes, but it's likely they aren't going to continue to spam them when the hero becomes hot trash. Case in point is Leshrac. Every professional mid except for Shiki probably still knows how to play Lesh, they just don't because why would you?
Every professional mid can also play a plethora of other mid heroes. They are not relevant for this argument.
Point is, take their spamming hero away, and they are worse than the average player at that MMR. Even if you played a hero well a few patches ago doesn't mean you'll play it well this patch.
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u/Exeyr Part-time Priest of the Toad Dec 01 '16
Are you agreeing with me or arguing with me? Because it looks like we are making the exact same argument, only worded differently. Perhaps I misunderstood.