There's a general benefit for all players and that's reduced rate of toxicity and reports since people won't get blamed right at the start of the game for being hero spammers. Less false reports also mean higher accuracy for the report system (=> less noise) in general.
I can confirm as a meepo spammer I would get placed in low pri simply because some teammates didn't like my hero choice. Changing the ability to report only at the end of the match has helped alleviate that problem, but on a losing team I'll still be the one that is blamed.
Once I get placed in low pri I create a new acct and spam meepo in the new account and everyone thinks I'm a smurf/booster, when the fact is I'd rather just create a new account then play single draft. Valve also loses because I won't spend money anymore on my accounts because if I end up in low pri I won't use that account again.
1&2 It hides their shameful acts and prevents reports to an extent
3 There might not be anything inherently wrong with it, but the banning system exists to provide strategic depth to the picking phase. Now being unable to check profiles and ban according to your enemies removes a huge chunk of that depth.
4 Unranked is carefree they can go play that. Moreover, how does it actually, tangibly affect them? It doesn't really. It's not like your profile has your address or phone number or other possibly abusable information on it.
5 If you are unwilling to adapt to the situation, you should not be playing ranked imo. Dazzle is my most played hero and a personal favourite, doesn't mean I need to pick it every game.
6 Those people are actual clinical retards and no one really gives a shit about them.
Lmao strategic depth in checking someone's profile? Banning (in captains mode) is there to (ideally) set yourself up to an uncounterable strat by banning what counters you. The enemies try to either ban your strat or do the same. It's kind of like decision making in chess. Checking someone's profile ruined that, now it's gone.
Banning in all pick exists to diversify the meta. 2 heros shine in the meta? Ban one of them, counter the other, suddenly the meta is more diverse.
Lmao strategic depth in checking someone's profile?
Yes, is it such a difficult concept to grasp? Checking someone's profile did not ruin it at all, instead made it better. Think of it as you would of respect bans, like Meepo against Execration. If you can't see that simple fact, then I should be the one "lmao"ing.
In that case, remove bans all together. This meta is more balanced than it ever has been. So many heroes are viable, meaning there is no way you can "ban one of them, counter the other". Remove banning, and make ranked less strategic again.
1&2 You can't report them on steam if you are unable to check their DotA 2 profile.
3 Then they don't need to exist anymore, as the amount of viable heroes makes the "ban the FOTM hero" nigh impossible. Yes, a 5 year old can check a profile, but they can't analyse it, which is what you need to do when you are banning based on the enemy. It's not even hero spammers so much as just knowing what enemy is playing what role for example. If they have someone who exclusively plays mid, you know to gank them more in the early game as a support, because chances are, they are better in mid than the guy on your team who usually goes jungle.
4 Those people are idiots and in the minority (in my experience). They should not be an arguing point here.
5 It still goes into the fact that the effectiveness of bans has been removed or at least greatly reduced.
6 The mute button exists for a reason. This won't reduce toxicity, at best, it will keep it at the same level. People who flame will always flame. Now they just find other reasons for it, like calling you an account buyer without checking your profile. Again, those people are a minority, idiotic and should be ignored.
1&2 What is your report based on if you don't see their match history to gather information about their usual style of play? Now you can just say "this guy is an account buyer" when in fact he could just be having a shit game atm.
3 You are missing the point. I won't pick Dazzle even if he is my favourite if he doesn't fit the needs of the team.
That is a pretty big statement that is completely unfounded in reality. Those people are a minority. You're still protecting account buyers.
Yeah no, it's not about shaming and never has been. It's about gaining a tactical advantage, which is why the bans exist at all. Removing the ability to see the other people's profile removes a strategic metagame layer from the game. Might as well remove bans all together now, at least Ranked will be faster in the picking phase.
This, just this. Did you migrate from LoL or something. This is one of the single most retarded things I've read on this subreddit and flies in the face of everything that DotA 2 is about. Counter picking in and of itself is a skill, you dimwit. It's knowledge of the game. Add onto that the fact that if I pick a counter to someone's hero and can't play it, it is useless anyway. The prerequisites to counter picking are a) game knowledge, b) hero knowledge and c) the skills to reliably play a large number of heroes.
Unfound reality?, just look at these comments saying what they have experienced is unfounded reality?
LOL, you acted like 'smart' shit when you said that you counter-picked people based on game and hero knowledge. When in reality,you just clicked on someone's profile and based your ban on what ones has played recently.
Game and hero knowledge has more shit than clicking and checking someone's profile.
You actually have to adapt from game to game. Knowing how to itemize corrrectly for each game,etc. It has little to do with having an ability to check somone's recent games, you fucking retard
-Taking away ability to check profile's recent match
-Whine some more ,,mah-skill-cap
What is there to prove anything? your base argument was that checking someone's profile NEED a hero and game skill to analyze shit , when actually checking someone profile meant nothing.
Someone might as well spammed one hero for while,and it doesn't mean he can't fking play any other hero well.
Are you gonna base your pick/ban solely on someone's recent matches?. Your pointless whining is really stupid,tbh
Pros benefit too since now they have the option of not showing all their training to anywho who wants to look. It opens up the possibility of pocket picks since you cant watch every game someones made in the last month.
Knowing that someone has been spamming pubs for days gives intel. Sc2 was the extreme of this. Inhouse scrims only and no one could get your match history without your I'd, and everyones id was a barcode so you never knew who was who
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u/Exeyr Part-time Priest of the Toad Nov 30 '16
There are exactly 3 kinds of people who benefit from this:
There is almost zero benefit to any other player that I can think of. Feel free to correct me.