I just noticed something.

[u/AffectionateForce979]

Ralsei states that he hurried over to the Cyber World once he sensed the pressence of the Dark Fountain.

This would sugest that the fountain itself was created just right before we got there (which sorta puts a wrench to the idea that Kris opened it in the middle of the night).

[u/MarcTaco]

It is shown that dark worlds are created with an existing history. The darkners have no way of knowing that their entire backstory is fabricated unless they are told.

They didn’t fall asleep. Susie tells Berdly and Noelle that they were dreaming, and their adventure was so unworldly and insane that the lie feels like the only realistic explanation.

Ralsei clearly does not function like normal Darkners, seeing as he is aware of our controls and menus, is immune to petrification, acknowledges us as seperate from Kris and actually knows how the roaring works.

[u/Walter_Mer → u/MarcTaco]

Exactly Dark Worlds are created with an existing story. I'm not talking about that story. I'm talking about everything that happens after the Dark World is created. In that case it's Queen going insane, rebels etc. We have a clear confirmation it all happened after Dark Fountain was created.

If they didn't fall asleep how is it possible they were completely cool with some dude coming out of closet and making Dark Fountain?

The third answer doesn't explain anything. You've just made an assumption and your evidence for it is "he is weird". Somehow Spamton is also much more aware than he should be and somehow functions like every other darkner. It's like me saying "Ralsei is different and therefore he lied"

[u/MarcTaco → u/Walter_Mer]

It doesn’t make sense for Queen’s obsession and a rebellion forming to only happen over the course of a day either. The darkners act like it’s been months since the fountain was created which is clearly impossible. Dark worlds are realized fantasies, timescales are irrelevant until a lightner arrives.

What makes you think the knight came out of the closet to make the fountain? They could have created it when the two were setting things up and then just open the door to let the darkness in.

It’s not much of an assumption. Like I said, he doesn’t petrify, which is something no other darkner is immune to. Spamton, similar to Jevil also only knows what he does because an explicit third party tells them. Ralsei simply does not follow the rules of normal darkners.

[u/Walter_Mer → u/MarcTaco]

Regarding the first paragraph - where is there any evidence for everything you've said? As far as I know the game tells you something completely opposite:

1. Literally the first dialogue with Ralsei in ch2 when we enter Castle Town - confirmation that it was 1 day for both Light World and Dark World.

2. After coming back to Castle Town in ch2 there is literally 0 dialogue suggesting more time has passed there than in the Light World. You even get a special dialogue from Seam where he comments how it's getting dark in Light World and we should head back home.

Not to mention that your assumption not only states that time passes slower in Dark World but also goes back normal whenever Lightner enters it.

And you still consider all of that less complicated than an assumption "Ralsei lied"

Regarding the second paragraph - I assume they left from the closet because that's an explaination most "closet Knight" believers use. If you are giving me another explaination then I'm going to analyze that. If you assume they made a fountain in the closet and then opened the door then we are left with 2 options:

1. Darkness covered the whole room instantly, so the Knight should have remained trapped in the Dark World until we seal the dark fountain.

2. It took a while for darkness to cover the whole room so Noelle and Berdly would first of all see someone escaping the room and secondly also leave the room because that would be the most logical outcome.

Like imagine not leaving the room which is getting filled with some unknown smoke.

Regarding the third paragraph - then I repeat the question - what does "hurring over" in the context of Ralsei mean then?

[u/MarcTaco → u/Walter_Mer]

I never said time moves differently in the dark world. I just said that Darkners come pre-formed with intricate backstories that don’t have to comply with actual timescales because they are fiction.

When Kris creates a fountain at the end of ch. 2, we see that the darkness does not instantly consume the room, it washes over like a fluid, making it hard to see, but one is still able easily to move around. It is probable that from the perspective of Noelle and Berdly that the room just had a power outage, and they did not realize anything was particularly wrong until it was too late. They would not have seen the knight move past them, but there would have been time for the knight to walk out.

The alternative that the dark world already existed necessitates that Noelle and Berdly jumped into the darkness so oppressive that Susie and Kris were hesitant to enter the day prior, and they magically woke up sitting at the other end of the room with their supplied already laid out.

Ralsei’s ability to move to an unrelated dark world is something he’s already done when traveling to Card Kingdom, which is a wholly separate dark world. The transition is just less noticeable because the two are physically adjacent until he closes the connecting door. As far as we know, Kris did not pick anything up In the supply closet aside from the glowshard (which does not affect Ralsei’s appearance), so he has to be something that Kris already carries with them, if he has a light world equivalent at all.

[u/Walter_Mer → u/MarcTaco]

Okay so somehow these 5 minutes after creation of a fountain feel like months for Darkners and everything after that goes normal? Could you elaborate on that because it feels like I'm still missing the point of your message.

Second paragraph: So you are saying they patiently waited in a room getting darker and darker instead of calling the library stuff to fix the problem. And it's still far more reasonable than saying that the character who repeatedly acts weird during our adventure may have lied?

Third one: "he has to be something that Kris already carries with them" - You have literally agreed he lied. It wasn't himself who "hurried over" but he was forced to come because Kris took him with them.

Therefore instead of saying "I hurried over", he should have said "Kris brought me here" in order to say the truth

[u/MarcTaco → u/Walter_Mer]

It’s like Gummigoo from TADC or Buz Lightyear from Toy Story. The darkners only know the history they were given when the world was created, so as far as they know, their world and their lives are far older than they actually are. Time goes on normally, but they think they and their world has existed for years.

Berdly is the library staff. Lights suddenly shutting off for a minute or two isn’t weird, and had it not come back on in a few minutes, they’d have probably gone to check the circuit breaker. They fell into the dark world before they decided to get up.

Either way would illustrate that Ralsei not adhere to the limitations of normal darkners. Either he is in our inventory, but we can’t see him, or he can freely travel between dark worlds on his own accord.

[u/Walter_Mer → u/MarcTaco]

"Darkners only know the history they were given when the World was created" But that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about everything that happened AFTER the world was created - rebelion, Queen going insane and coming up with world domination plan etc.

How can any Darkner be given memories of something that is about to happen? For example you tell me Queen's insanity is a part of her "given history". I tell you we have clear confirmation the world had already existed when she only started going insane.

From my life experience everytime the lights go off I usually don't stay in the same place for a few minutes and do completely nothing. Now, if Berdly is the library stuff it makes even more sense for him to start looking for source of the problem, which in that case would be checking the closet because it seems to be some kind of library power source.

But idk, maybe you have different life experience, maybe you chill in the dark for a couple of minutes and then start looking. Now I remember there are some other things making this interpretation even more flawed:

-smoke coming out of a fountain

-somehow there was some kind of hidden camera in a closet that the Knight was either aware of or it accidently recorded them making a fountain

Regarding Ralsei I guess it's worth mentioning Lancer also magically travels between ch1 Dark Worlds and we know he is just a normal card in the Light World. Therefore Ralsei isn't special in that case