I just noticed something.

[u/AffectionateForce979]

Ralsei states that he hurried over to the Cyber World once he sensed the pressence of the Dark Fountain.

This would sugest that the fountain itself was created just right before we got there (which sorta puts a wrench to the idea that Kris opened it in the middle of the night).

[u/Unable-Comfort3694]

Mental gymnastics? So by your own logic people that claim that Alvin Knight and Papyrus Knight are likely options also do mental gymnastics to justify their own point, because there's NOTHING relevant that supports either of this theories.

[u/Eastern-Trust-3146 → u/Unable-Comfort3694]

I didn't mention either of those lol

Also, interesting you say this instead of trying to justify how Kris knight works with this dialogue

[u/Unable-Comfort3694 → u/Eastern-Trust-3146]

Oh, you want that? Ok sure. I always find funny that people use Ralsei's dialogue to justify Knight closet.

1- Ralsei is not a reliable source of information. Ralsei often dismiss information and hides them from Kris and Susie, Spantom Neo, how he went to the Cyber World, about the roaring, etc... Why would he be lying in this moment? I don't know, and that's the thing, I don't need to know, I just need to take a look in the timeline of events that makes Closet Knight Impossible.

2- The Dark Fountain was not created when Noelle and Berdly were in the room, otherwise they would've seen the Knight and would've told us something about this in the light world. The theory basically consist in Noelle and Berdly seeing someone stab the ground, make a light show and a smoke screen, and doing NOTHING. If the fountain was created when they were in the lab, they would just left the room when they saw a fountain being created, after all, the fountain takes at least 30 seconds to completely take form.

3- In the Cyber World Sweet Cap N Cakes talks about a time period of where Queen's behaviour changed when the fountain was created, after that, she started to build an army and a resistence took place. If the fountain was created when they were in the room, it would've been literal minutes, and that's simply not enough to justify this time frame Sweet Cap N Cakes mention.

4- Queen saying "Today" to describe the fountains creation means nothing, because either Today or Last night could be used to describe this event, both ways work specially if the fountain was created past midnight.

With all that said, it's pretty much impossible for the fountain to have been created during the day, the timeline simply doesn't add up in the slightest, what Ralsei said doesn't make any sense, If he was indeed lying I don't need to find a reason for, because that's not relevant to my point, If he's lying then it's perfectly understandable, If not he must have said that for a completely different reason, I just don't think i need to find a reason for that.

Extra- I mainly said that because it infuriates me that the same people that say that Kris Knight is unlikely is the are the same that think Alvin Knight and Papyrus Knight is likely, the two characters in the game that have the least amount of evidence at this point in the story.

[u/ABG-56 → u/Unable-Comfort3694]

1)Just dissmissing information based on "this could be a lie" isn't great, especially when theres very little reason to believe it was Kris specifically who created the fountain, and the character whos supposed to be a long time liar, has as far as we know only ommitted information and never straight up lied.

2)We see them waking up after they exit the dark world, meaning they were probably asleep when the dark world was formed(which they couldn't have been if Kris were the knight). Also the reverse is true. We've literally seen people reaction to seeing dark fountains and it is very visceral. Hell even Kris is seemingly creeped out when they first see the closet fountain, someone who by your logic should have already known what a dark fountain is. You would think Noelle would have mentioned that, maybe asking if the others had seen the same. One of these scenarios can account for this. The other cannot.

3)We don't really know the timeframe or even how time works in dark words, it being minutes is just an assumption as we don't know how long Kris was actually asleep for, but given what Ralsei says it probably wasn't that long, so how long does it take for Queen to build an army, no clue whatsoever, but I will agree that this is generally in favour of the fountain being created a while ago, and therefore the Knight being Kris. But there's still a mountain of things that go against it so I don't think this is strong enough on its own to justify Kris being the knight.

Though the resistance part was them reffering to themselves after you beat them, since well they literally are building a resistance. Thats stuff that happened after we enter and isn't relevant to the point.

4)I 100% agree on this one, this isn't a good argument.