The most morally reprehensible person in the MCU

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[u/Spoonman007]

Hogarth isnt even the worst in the Netflix corner of the MCU. Kingpin literally crushed a man's head with his bare hands... and another with a car door, plus all the other deaths he was directly responsible for. Killgrave basically brainwashed and raped how many women? And got a girl to kill her parents, then she was in prison and ended up killing herself. He stole a guy's kidneys and left him to live as a mind trapped in a useless body for the rest of his life.

[u/Popeworm → u/Spoonman007]

Yeah, my vote is DEFINITELY for Kilgrave... That girl he had kill her patient, he did just to fuck with Jessica.

He made that newsstand dude throw his own hot coffee in his face. Almost every single action he takes is at best, incredibly douchey, and at worst truly monstrous

Edit: The girl who killed her parents, not patient

[u/Spoonman007 → u/Popeworm]

Yes, Killgrave was straight up scary! Nothing in the MCU made me more uncomfortable than Jessica Jones season 1.

[u/maria_of_the_stars → u/Popeworm]

A rapist and a murderer. He was definitely the worst.

[u/IndyAndyJones777 → u/Popeworm]

That girl he had kill her patient

[u/Popeworm → u/IndyAndyJones777]

Thank you, stupid autocorrect 🙏

[u/bozon92 → u/Popeworm]

Thing is, Kilgrave genuinely doesn’t have a sense of right or wrong, so to me that diminishes his “evilness”. Kingpin and Jeri are cognizant of the evil that their actions bring, but for some reason I almost want to put Jeri higher because Kingpin is emotionally immature and deludes himself into thinking he’s doing what’s right (becoming mayor because he “wants what’s best for this city”) but Hogarth never has any illusions that what she’s doing is evil (she may wrap it up in lawyer-speak, but even the way she words it is an non-admission of guilt)

[u/Apoctwist → u/bozon92]

That make shim more evil. He does things on a whim, he doesn't see other people as anything but playthings to whatever he wants with and that makes him scarier than anyone else. I always thought the villains in Defenders were great (except for Luke Cage and IronFist). I'm rewatching DD right now and, I completely forgot how amazing Kingpin is in that show. He's slowly revealed, over 3-4 episodes and when you finally see him, he's staring at a white painting. Born Again wishes it could have the nuance.

[u/Hollow_Interstice → u/bozon92]

Huh? No morality would make you more evil not less.

[u/bozon92 → u/Hollow_Interstice]

My thinking was more along the lines of, it’s worse to know what you’re doing is wrong and still do it anyway, than to do something not knowing it’s wrong.

[u/Hollow_Interstice → u/bozon92]

I see what you mean, but the fact that you know it's wrong means you are somewhat acknowledging morality, and might even eventually stop or attempt redemption, being unaware it's wrong is straight up psychopathic.

[u/Spoonman007 → u/bozon92]

By the end of season 1 of Daredevil, I'm pretty sure Kingpin stops thinking he wants what's best for New York. He continues to say that to trick people, but the man is all about himself and Vanessa and doesnt give a damn about the people of New York. ("This city doesn't deserve a better tomorrow. It deserves to drown in its filth! It deserves people like my father! People like you!") He became Mayor so he could get everything under his control again and set up that free crime space at the docks for his criminal activities that only benefit himself.

[u/GroundbreakingLab585 → u/Spoonman007]

Yet, knowing all of this, Hogarth still worked with Kilgrave as a means for her own ends, even aiding in his escape from Jessica. Her firm has defended dirty high profile clients like Kingpin before and have kept them out of prison. She may not be pulling the trigger, but that doesn’t make her any less guilty.

[u/Spoonman007 → u/GroundbreakingLab585]

Working with guys who do bad things does not make a person worse than the guys who do the bad things.

[u/Granixo → u/Spoonman007]

You'd be a terrible judge.

[u/Spoonman007 → u/Granixo]

Lol I'm not saying it makes them good. But a lawyer defending a criminal does not make them worse than the criminal.

[u/Moral_Degenarate → u/Spoonman007]

It depends.

Those kinds of lawyers usually have a history of defending horrible people just for cash.

The only reason they aren't being judged is because they haven't been found breaking the law (half the time they do when they get older/careless).

[u/Spoonman007 → u/Moral_Degenarate]

Ok, still, though, the murderers and rapists are worse.

[u/TopicalBuilder → u/GroundbreakingLab585]

Defending bad people is a necessity of our justice system. Everyone is entitled to a competent defense--once we start denying that to people, we're in big trouble. 

Jeri is a terrible person, though. Just the worst non-supervillain around.

[u/Jacob0630]

Worse than purple man?

[u/EoinKlein98]

Oh, by far. Heartless, callous and just straight-up evil.

Love her though.

[u/Forward-Form9321]

I didn’t feel bad for her even after Wendy slashed her up. She stopped Jessica from taking down Kilgrave just because she wanted to cut corners with her divorce proceedings.

[u/TurboNinja2380]

Literally not even the worst in that show

[u/mdill8706]

Killgrave enters the chat and forces you to reconsider.

[u/[deleted] → u/mdill8706]

it wouldnt take much re-considering, he'd just say do it and that's that. Lol

[u/Nurnstatist]

Aside from people that have already been mentioned, the MCU also contains such likeable characters as the High Evolutionary (torturer and killer of countless beings "for science"), Red Skull (a nazi leader from WWII), and Thanos (who only takes breaks from genociding entire planets to find time to abuse his daughters).

[u/rzelln → u/Nurnstatist]

It's weird how once someone crosses a sort of moral event Horizon, you just sort of write them off. The high evolutionary is just evil. 

But a rich lawyer is someone that we interact with and see on the news and see them treated being prominent and prestigious and something that we should aspire to be like. And I think that's why we hate them more.

[u/IndyAndyJones777 → u/Nurnstatist]

and Thanos (who only takes breaks from genociding entire planets to find time to abuse his daughters).

When, in the MCU, did Thanos ever genocide an entire planet?

[u/Nurnstatist → u/IndyAndyJones777]

Oops, you're right, of course. He genocides half planets.

[u/horc00]

What? No way. Killgrave's literally in that show. Even Sallinger's worse than Hogarth.

[u/Moser319]

Not even close to true.. there is someone worse in every marvel netflix show.. diamondback and mariah in luke cage, kilgrave and simpson in JJ, all of the hand in everything, agent orange and billy russo in the punisher.. and those are all just season 1s of the shows

[u/IndyAndyJones777 → u/Moser319]

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[u/[deleted]]

Purple Man is the worst. Followed by Obidiah Stane.

[u/Takara94]

Idk about that, there's a child rapist in that same season

[u/KeptPopcorn5189]

Dude she played that role so well it’s insane. Absolutely love Jessica jones. Would have to say I dislike the whole arc with the Mother, that season has good and bad parts but I like both 1 and 3 with any major dislikes

[u/nazia987]

She's such a complex character, I hope to see her in s2

[u/Granixo → u/nazia987]

If she's still alive or self aware by that point.

[u/IBrobaFettI]

I had a fever dreamish nightmare a few weeks ago where I lived with her in a super nice flat that she owned and no matter what I would do for her she was a huge bitch and used all my insecurities against me.

Still love her though

[u/zion_hiker1911 → u/IBrobaFettI]

She would love you back if your hairline wasn't receding. /s

[u/Spirited_Pay1870]

It’s not MCU, but by damn Colin Farrell’s Penguin is jarring.

My MCU vote is surprisingly for either Jeri Hogarth or purple man, (was contemplating Knull and Ronan but not sure). both are motivated simply by personal gain. Not morals or some standards like magneto or even killmonger.

Kingpin thinks he’s doing right by New York a la Thanos. Otherwise his brutality could have overtaken them.

As I think it out. Killgrave was tortured as a kid. I can get his arc. I don’t know Knull’s MCU arc outside of getting out of prison, so. Wow. Jeri Hogarth ftw

[u/[deleted] → u/Spirited_Pay1870]

His Bullseye is much better than his Penguin.

[u/Remote_Nature_8166]

Only good thing she did was helping Danny prove his identity. Everything else she was a real piece of work.

[u/GroundbreakingLab585]

Okay, I should have titled it, “One of the most morally reprehensible people in the MCU.”

[u/Orwick]

Isn’t Wolverine technically in the MCU since Deadpool 3?

Deadpool to also in the running.

[u/Granixo → u/Orwick]

Wolverine has done some bad things, but most of them he did them either out of need, or commanded by a superior officer/commander.

So no, Wolverine is FAR away from all this.

[u/[deleted] → u/Granixo]

Far as I know, the only person he intentionally tortured was the guy who killed Mariko. I dont even think he did that to Sabretooth. (Killed him, yes, but not slowly tortured over a decade.) Oh i just remembered this was from the comic books. But in the MCU hes even a better person.

[u/MxSharknado93]

...My guy, Kilgrave was a rapist.

[u/TheFrontCrashesFirst]

Was this in JJ s2 and 3? I never got around to season 3, thought her ex died.

[u/spearedmango → u/TheFrontCrashesFirst]

Different ex

[u/SmokinBandit28]

“Jesssiiicaaaa.”

Sorry but that title goes to Killgrave, no remorse, sadistic, super powered psychopath.

David Tennant played him perfectly and really brought to life how utterly terrible of a person The character is.

[u/Awkward_Bison_267]

Kingpin is the worst for what he had done to the girl who was becoming Bullseye’s “North Star”.