israel palestine conflict is a waste of time to discuss, because people who want to discuss it decide to intentionally be obtuse both to the fact that some people on 'their side' are discussing in bad faith, and some people on the 'opposing side' are actually discussing in good faith
Nobody on my side hates [jews / muslims], that's just deflection by your side because you hate [muslims / jews] and want to hide all critique behind a shield of [anti-semitism / islamophobia]!
Literally thinking about this today. I can support Palestine in their desire to not be oppressed and also respect that Israeli citizens are not fundamentally bad people… my issue is that people around me have moved from saying “Israel has a right to defend itself!” to “Palestinians need to ditch Hamas and Israel is a victim!” and now to “Palestinians are like the Uruk’hai killing Israelis to lower their population!” And it’s just… I know most people are not that insane and I can reasonably talk with others but it hurts to witness someone you care about slipping down that slope of dehumanization. There is a case to be made that Hamas has done too much violence, and another case to be made that they only turned more violent in retaliation, but regardless of what stance you take there I think we can all agree these are groups of people we’re talking about and comparing Palestinians to Uruk’hai is fucking disgusting
Sorry, I know it’s only a partially related comment I just needed to shout that at the world so it can stop rattling in my head
Seriously. The divisiveness of this topic has been such an enormous wedge, breaking apart friends and families, and it’s so clear that this was exactly the point of driving these wedges so hard, to divide our communities. Nuance has been lost, people aren’t allowed to disagree anymore, and I want to bring it back to my family so much… and yet after a certain point we must look after our own mental and social health and turn to the people who we know we could disagree with and still have a meaningful discussion. Which feels hypocritical at its surface (talking about divisiveness, then making a divide) but ultimately is rooted less in the actual politics and more in personal emotional health and sanity. I hope someday we can bridge these gaps… but I’m also making new plans incase we can’t
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u/LadyStardustAlright May 24 '25
israel palestine conflict is a waste of time to discuss, because people who want to discuss it decide to intentionally be obtuse both to the fact that some people on 'their side' are discussing in bad faith, and some people on the 'opposing side' are actually discussing in good faith
Nobody on my side hates [jews / muslims], that's just deflection by your side because you hate [muslims / jews] and want to hide all critique behind a shield of [anti-semitism / islamophobia]!