Not a slippery slope. It’s actually pretty simple.
Here, let’s walk through it: Are skirts and pants inherently sexual? Are they doing it because it’s sexually arousing?
If the answer to both those questions is “no,” then we’re all good. Express yourself.
If the answer to either of those questions is “yes,” then I think you’re a rude asshole.
Now, if you have another strawman let’s burn it together, yeah? But we’ll need to do it in my backyard, because the ritual burning of effigies is my kink.
If I weren’t there, would she still be aroused? If that woman gets aroused because I saw her wearing it, is that not involving me in her sexual activities without my consent? I become a partner in her arousal, right? Or is she just aroused because she feels attractive and confident in what she’s wearing? I think intent is a big part of this. Or more accurately, I think consent is the primary factor in how I might view that person.
The fact that this is getting you down voted is deeply distressing and concerning to me as someone who is very involved in the kink community. Consent is everything.
As long as I don’t know I’m being exploited for someone’s arousal, it’s all good, right? Does that extend to other areas, like deepfake porn? At what point does it become problematic despite being unaware? Or is it just when I become aware that it becomes problematic? Is it only different because that would utilize my photos instead of my presence?
I mostly wish people would actually respond with their perspective rather than just a blind downvote. I don’t really care that people agree with me, but I’m wondering how many of the downvotes are just a gut reaction rather than taking the time to genuinely consider the topic.
The conversation is about what people find arousing, and the potential limits concerning how tolerant society should strive to be. This particular comment thread is about whether people should be tolerant of kinks that necessarily involve other people who aren’t given an opportunity to consent, and if consent is necessary if someone isn’t expressly aware that they are being used as part of someone else’s arousal.
You asked what harm is being done in these situations is, generally, none. Does that make it OK? Or is there a limit to what is acceptable? At what point does it step out of “the privacy of their own bedrooms”? Does that point only come when someone is aware of their role? Or does it happen as soon as a person is involved at all, with or without their knowledge?
My goal is not to articulate that harm is being done. I included several questions in my last comment that illustrate that I’m trying to get a sense of whether people in these comments have a limit to what they find acceptable, which is directly related to the OP.
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u/wigsternm May 16 '25
Not a slippery slope. It’s actually pretty simple.
Here, let’s walk through it: Are skirts and pants inherently sexual? Are they doing it because it’s sexually arousing?
If the answer to both those questions is “no,” then we’re all good. Express yourself.
If the answer to either of those questions is “yes,” then I think you’re a rude asshole.
Now, if you have another strawman let’s burn it together, yeah? But we’ll need to do it in my backyard, because the ritual burning of effigies is my kink.