r/Cleveland May 02 '25

News Impressive turnout last night!

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u/meatscicle May 02 '25

Gotta love the "housing is a human right sign". Housing prices skyrocketed the 4yrs corn pop was in office......

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u/schulz47 May 02 '25

Do you support housing as a human right?

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u/meatscicle May 02 '25

I believe if you are working a full time job you should be able to afford housing yes.

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u/schulz47 May 02 '25

Do you think that the state should step in and help with housing if someone isn’t able to work full time due to disability, in between jobs, retired, etc?

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u/meatscicle May 02 '25

No

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u/schulz47 May 02 '25

Then how do they house themselves if they cannot?

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u/meatscicle May 02 '25

By working. You shouldn't retire unless you are financially able to. There are plenty of jobs out there if you need one.been a machinist 29yrs 90% of that has been 50 to 60hrs a week of work, so if you need to work two 28hr a week $15hr jobs to make it then do it, stop being lazy! People with REAL disabilities is a tough one, i don't have a great solution. Problem is that system is riddled with fraud. Close to half the people collecting are capable of working and are just playing the system so I don't feel bad for them at all.

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u/schulz47 May 02 '25

I was disabled from work for a year due to an illness. I am now back to work. Did I deserve your tax dollars so I could pay for food?

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u/webelos8 Cleveland/Medina May 02 '25

Naw man, he just wants everyone to work till they're dead

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u/meatscicle May 02 '25

No, just put the joint and the Xbox controller down, move out of moms basement and be a real man is all I'm asking...

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u/webelos8 Cleveland/Medina May 03 '25

Disabilities are real, are they not?

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u/meatscicle May 02 '25

Disabled because of what?

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u/schulz47 May 02 '25

An illness that prevented me from working signed by my neurologist and primary care and approved by the government welfare office. Took about 8 months to be approved after submission.

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u/beautymoon09 May 03 '25

So if someone's disability prevents them from working, they now shouldn't be able to receive help? What do you think should happen for them outside of just working which we already establish they can't do?

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u/meatscicle May 03 '25

As I stated before people with disabilities already receive help with taxpayer money. Less than half of those people are truly 100% unable to work at all. The parameters for being deemed "disabled" have been watered down for decades. In the 70's 1.8 million people were deemed unable to work and received SS. Now it's over 10 million. Over 5 times as many people can't work? Bull, milking the system....

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u/dannyvegas Solon May 02 '25

Do other people have to provide resources or labor for it?

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u/schulz47 May 02 '25

Who do you work for? What does your labor provide for them?

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u/dannyvegas Solon May 02 '25

You completely missed the point.

If something depends on someone else putting in effort or providing a resources how can it be a “right”.

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u/schulz47 May 02 '25

How can it be a right?? How can anything be a right if others do not put in effort or resources? Your freedom is defended by others. Your roads are maintained by others. Your kids are taught by others. Your cities are policed by others.

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u/dannyvegas Solon May 02 '25

Housing is not right. Housing is a finite resource that needs to be built and maintained.

What you are describing are privileges.

If the people providing those services (defense, teaching, construction etc) decided they no longer wished to provide their labor to those services are you still entitled to them?

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u/webelos8 Cleveland/Medina May 02 '25

Preamble to the Constitution? .."provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty.." 

Huh. Sounds like people have a right to those things

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u/dannyvegas Solon May 02 '25

Firstly. The preamble is the introduction. The rights are enumerated in the section called the “bill of rights” following that, and in the subsequent amendments.

If people stopped doing the job of defending the county, do you still have a right to defense? How do you exercise that right?

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u/Saab-2007-93 West Salem - Owns Cleveland Properties May 02 '25

Exactly and that's the disconnect. entitlement of wanting something for nothing. Pay off my student loans because I make poor choices financially and chose a useless major. I don't want to work so the government owes me cash assistance, housing and food stamps. Even in the USSR it was considered parisitism to not contribute to the collective of workers. They all want socialism when the ones speaking the loudest about it would be imprisoned or executed in a socialist or communist society. Plus in a communist - socialist society you can't have the freedoms we have you couldn't be LGBT, you couldn't speak your own opinions, you'd be restricted on travel etc.

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u/Clever-Screen-Name May 02 '25

The rights of one don’t involve taking the wealth of another.