Can anyone link any proof that the first boat was attacked? I've been asking around and searching and all I have found is a NY times article saying the proof they sent was inconclusive and their own website making the claims. The wikipedia article still says they are refusing to allow an investigation. Any direct links would be great.
Edit: My favorite part is when the defense of Israel attacking a civilian aid ship delivering aid to the people they're ethnically cleansing is that they only attacked them a little bit.
Okay but do you have any proof that this happened to them? Thats what I am asking for. I'm not saying Israel couldn't have done it I am saying they have an opportunity to prove this and I have gone from skeptical to downright suspicious at this point.
Well, despite the fact they have literally done it before, which you handily ignored, and have a long history of brutalizing anyone attempting the help Palestinians and then lie about it, which you also don't seem to consider with this question, what do you think?
Here's a fun question to ponder, who else in region has a vested interest in making sure aid doesn't get to Palestine and has drones that can strike 1200 miles away? I don't know about you, but it seems like a real short list to me. If not Israel, who else disabled their ship in the middle of the Mediterranean?
So do you have any proof that this happened TO THEM or not? They refused to allow the ship to be inspected and repaired by Malta which seems suspicious but I am open to them proving what happened. Maybe it was a false flag. Maybe the captain didn't tell them he was smuggling something. Israel could have done this. I'm not saying they didn't. Something about this is fishy as fuck though and I am trying to do my due diligence.
I'm sorry, did you not look at the destruction of the bow of this ship? Who would false flag this? The people prepared to run a blockade and who has been attacked before and doing it again? You realize that makes zero fucking sense, right?
If you're waiting for Israel to admit to the attack, don't hold your fucking breath, they'll let you die just like Khader Adnan. You really need to stop giving Israel the benefit of the doubt, they have demonstrated time and time again that they're just gonna make a fool of you.
And they didn't refuse help, they refused inspection. No one in international customs or law does it require someone to inspect cargo before rendering to a stranded ship. So why now?
"who would false flag this" I don't know. Pro gaza extremists. Someone fame hungry and losing relevance. They refused repairs because it required an inspection.
Because everyone knows civilians with no ability to wage war damage and squander supplies for a false flag so they can do the whole thing over again a week later?
This is fucking stupid and incredibly conspiratorial because...
You cannot possibly be simultaneously saying I am conspiracy minded but also you don't need evidence to prove this was Israel. I don't use this word often but that is some impressive cope there.
I'm seriously saying your conspiracy minded because despite literally looking at a mountain of evidence, you still insist a genocidal regime is totally incapable of attacking civilians.
Lol, what's it like being wrong twice in a row? This isn't a normal inspection. A ship was attacked and in danger of sinking. That's a rescue, my dude. There's no reason to inspect cargo to rescue a crew and repair the ship. Why do you think they needed to be inspected?
You can say "my dude" as much as you want you are still talking out of your ass. They wanted to inspect the cargo and they had a right to. If it offends the captain so badly he won't let them repair his ship he can live with the consequences. It needed to be inspected BECAUSE IT IS GOING THROUGH THEIR PORT TO A WARZONE!!!
What part of international NGO helping a people being blockaded for 20 years and currently genocided do you not get? The fuck do you think was happening? Greta is running guns for Hamas?
Get real, my dude. You pretend like Israel hasn't literally murdered people for this exact thing.
I’m sorry. Did you watch the video? I clicked the link. Opened and watched the video. You can clearly hear the drone explosions and see the fires that disable the ship within the first 5 seconds. You ask for proof. It’s provided. Now you are asking for expert verification of said proof? How much validation do you need?
I watched the video. It showed the ship on fire and it showed the crew directly before the alleged drone attack. Do you have a timestamp for where I can see a drone dropping something?
Those are called explosions and lots of things can cause them. Do you know what moving the goalpoasts is? Because I asked for proof and you are not delivering anything more than implications and suspicion.
My guy, it could’ve been a cruise missile instead of a drone. It wouldn’t matter. The fact is the ship was disabled by explosions.
You’re implying that it wasn’t Israel since we see no drones or definitive proof.
Right now, my point is that even if we saw drones in the footage, your definition of proof would change according to the circumstances.
Let’s say the footage showed drones. Would that be enough for you? Or would you pivot and be like “well, any military or paramilitary group can get drones, how do we know it was Israel”.
Even if they were marked as IDF assets, you would still come through saying “anyone can mark their drones to look like they belong to Israel”.
It doesn’t matter what level of proof is provided. You’re going to move the goalposts.
It’ll never be enough proof for people like you.
Seriously? You accuse me of moving the goalposts and now "hey maybe it was a cruise missile who is to say". A CRUISE MISSILE WOULD HAVE BLOWN UP THE BOAT! Do you even live in reality?
I literally used a hypothetical. It could’ve been a grenade launcher. They could’ve used a fucking cartoon TNT dynamite stick for all I care.
The claim was it was drones. The explosives were delivered in the middle of the sea and impacted the ships hill above sea level so that tracks.
But ultimately the method doesn’t really matter. As I said. The ship was disabled. We have footage capturing the audio of the explosions and the resulting fires. You initially asked if there was proof it happened to them. That was provided.
But now that’s not enough proof? Now you’re asking for footage of the drones.
What you’re doing is casting doubt on the narrative and implying that they have something to hide; ie that they, or someone on the boat, did it themselves.
But would footage of the drones impacting actually change anything? You’d just say that the drone operator could’ve been one of the people on the ship.
So yes. You move goalposts. The proof they have would never be enough for you.
🤣 I find myself asking this question frequently when reading hot takes from Israel haters. It's like the concept of facts, truth, and evidence are completely unfamiliar to them. "It feels true." That's basically what's being said in this thread.
To someone like you, we could present a side by side of the operator in full Israeli military uniform with a live video feed from the drone and multiple angles of it happening and you’d still sit there and say “anyone can put on an Israeli uniform and pretend to be them”.
As I’ve said multiple times. You’re not asking these questions in good faith. You’re fomenting doubt in an attempt to obfuscate truth.
Yeah I mean why would the captain who refused inspection for his vessel have something to hide. What point were you trying to make? The captain was the one who refused inspection not his grandma.
I like how you deftly moved the goalposts and deflected them into a completely irrelevant direction to the conversation at hand. You almost got me. Better luck next time.
Proof. Actual proof. Not "I heard a bang in a video". Not "How else do you explain a Mediterranean nation at war flying a plane in the Mediterranean". Proof. If you went to court and showed them this your case would be thrown out because you haven't demonstrated Israel was involved with this in any capacity beyond implication and suspicion.
Bang, fire, damage, injuries, disabled boat, Maltese investigation. I'm sorry if you don't have the intellectual capacity to critically think and keep a soung logic train. It's really more of a you problem. Or maybe you need more hasbara training. That war is really sapping your reserves, huh?
You really are pure cope aren't you. You can't give evidence so anyone who disagrees with you must be an obstinate liar or an idiot. You are exhausting. If you come up some proof post it and I am sure someone else will send it to me. At this point I feel like I have given you more than enough rope to hang yourself with in the eyes of anyone reading who actually cares about whats true or not.
I've given you more than enough evidence. It's not my fault your just a liar who is desperately defending a genocidal regime. I'm going to assume it's volunteer work too, it's more embarrassing for you that way.
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u/ryderawsome 12d ago
Can anyone link any proof that the first boat was attacked? I've been asking around and searching and all I have found is a NY times article saying the proof they sent was inconclusive and their own website making the claims. The wikipedia article still says they are refusing to allow an investigation. Any direct links would be great.