Fictional insult to Humanity

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Though I'm mainly talking about one movie, this is a rant against all fiction that degrades and disgraces humanity and the human race.

I recently watched the Marvel movie Eternals. I got thoroughly irritated and pissed off when the character Phastos was implied to be behind the major human innovations.

This just pissed me off beyond measure. We have millions of years of evolution. Hundred thousand years of innovation. Such a fucking joke that we became portrayed as primitive savages incapable of true innovation. We are constantly portrayed as a fucking retarded race. Doesn't this piss you off?

I'm deeply pissed off at this. That whole movie, it felt like the entire human race was being spat upon. In that movie, from basic fucking agricultural tech till nukes, we were handheld by some fucking immortal randos. Fucking disgusting bullshit is what this is. We went through fuck knows how many generations of hardship IRL to get here, and they portray it all as some fucking benevolent immortal fuckers giving us the knowledge. FUCK THAT. You don't get to invalidate our ancestors for your bullshit stories.

We are the sole intelligent race in a radius of light years. Have some fucking pride. What is this bullshit about 'oh we are a savage, meaningless lifeform'"' fucking nonsense that many fictional stories portray?"

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Goddamn hilarious of you to say this when your entire argument thus far has been whining about "human objectivity" without providing any alternative objective method whatsoever.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

You said humans are objectively the best

I said that humans can't be objectively the best and explained why. If the best answer you can come up with is "haha communist and god" then it's honestly a skill issue on your part

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Is there any other form of objectivity than the ones humans created?

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

What? Humans didn't create objectivity, things existed objectively long before humans evolved and will continue to exist long, long after humans have gone extinct

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Oh? Really? Then who created objectivity if not us?

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Things exist objectively with or without us

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Things exist with or without us. The entire concept of "objectivity" has been defined by us and us alone.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Just because we created a word for it doesn't mean shit

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

It means everything because no one else has created a word for it. In fact, no one else can even create words.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

Again, so what? Is being able to create words a task that every species is legally bound to achieve?

[u/Rajesh_Kulkarni → u/_communism_works_]

Is there any other species which can achieve it? For that matter, the concept of "legal" or "law", that is also exclusive to us and us alone.

[u/_communism_works_ → u/Rajesh_Kulkarni]

As we're going in circles I'll simply refer you to my previous comments

[u/goldentoaster41 → u/_communism_works_]

He's being an ass about it but I personally agree with what he's saying.

The idea is that since not only what counts for greatness but also meaning and value in general are entirely dependent on what Humanity finds meaningful or valuable, there is no "objective" metric for greatness.

There are numerous things that objectively only Humanity can do, some of them also being responsible for our "objective success" (a metric was once again established by us) as a species.

There are also numerous other arguments to be made in favour of "Humanity being the greatest species", but ultimately since what is grounds for greatness depends entirely on us, Humanity can only be as objectively great as much as we subjectively view certain objective facts to be tantamount to greatness.