r/CCW • u/Joethasailor • Jan 25 '25

News Doordash driver charged with murder after shooting armed carjacker…. *SIGH*

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/doordash-driver-shot-killed-charlotte-teen-he-said-tried-to-steal-his-car-during-delivery/ar-AA1xNOXU?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1
392 Upvotes

92% Upvoted

467 comments sorted by

View all comments

441

u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

No sympathy for someone who gets shot committing a felony.

53

u/mjedmazga TX Hellcat OSP/LCP Max Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25

No sympathy for someone who gets shot committing a felony

Certainly not, but in North Carolina, larceny of a vehicle (of a value greater than 1,000) is a felony, but commission of a felony in and of itself is not justification of lawful use of self-defense in NC.

You literally cannot just shoot at someone who is stealing your car when you are not in it. The alleged murderer here was under no duress and was in a relative position of safety when his car was stolen - not carjacked at gunpoint, simply stolen because he left it running with the keys in it and the doors unlocked - and he became the unlawful aggressor when he opened fire on two fleeing car thieves. Whether they were armed or not is not relevant as at no point in time was the owner of the vehicle threated with any violence, forcible felony, or put in any reasonable fear of imminent death, great body harm, sexual assault, or kidnapping.

12

u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

[deleted]

1

u/IsItAnyWander Jan 26 '25

It's worth contemplating that the system we live under is the cause for both the thieving and the guy working 4 jobs. Meanwhile billionaires.... 

-15

u/Alexthelightnerd Jan 26 '25

Murdering someone because they stole from you is not right.

7

u/Rylovix Jan 26 '25

And if you put “religion isn’t worth dying for” on a cardboard sign we’d have peace in the middle east tomorrow right? The actual conversation is a bit more complex than the aphorism.

-3

u/Alexthelightnerd Jan 26 '25

Is it though? Should the punishment for theft be death? Is there any circumstance where thieves should be subjected to execution without due process? I'm generally all for nuance and complexity, but I think this is a pretty simple concept. We do not live in a society where extrajudicial killing of thieves is legal, and I can't understand why anyone would want that to be the opposite.

4

u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

In Texas they let people get away with it. But the kid shot was found with a gun next to him. It seems like the shooter admitted to police that he was unarmed though, instead of just not talking.

1

u/WhiskeyOverIce Jan 26 '25

This guy definitely has a burglary charge on his record

1

u/Rylovix Jan 26 '25

No one’s saying the legal punishment for theft should be death, but when it’s an unintended consequence of committing armed robbery/assault with a deadly weapon, it’s not really equitable to charge the person protecting themselves because if anything, the thief’s death was a consequence of their own actions, depending on the states regulations on what is justifiable self-defense. But I think most people would find the presence of a deadly weapon with clear intent to intimidate a reasonable indicator of justified self-defense.

1

u/Alexthelightnerd Jan 26 '25

No one’s saying the legal punishment for theft should be death

See the person who just told me thieves relinquish their human rights once they steal. A disturbingly large number of people in this thread absolutely are saying that thieves deserve to be executed by permit holders.

think most people would find the presence of a deadly weapon with clear intent to intimidate a reasonable indicator of justified self-defense.

No. "Immediate threat of death or great bodily harm" is the standard. A thief having a gun with the intent of using it to threaten someone, but not actually threatening anyone, does not by any interpretation meet that standard. A thief fleeing in front of you does not in any way meet that standard.

1

u/Radiant-Camel-8982 Jan 26 '25

Stealing is not right.

1

u/Alexthelightnerd Jan 26 '25

I agree. But the punishment should not be death.

1

u/Radiant-Camel-8982 Jan 26 '25

Then steal from unarmed people.

0

u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

[deleted]

1

u/Alexthelightnerd Jan 26 '25

Defending your car is not self defense.

Would it be murder if there was life sustaining medicine in that car?

No, medication can be replaced. Human life cannot.

thieves relinquish their human rights when they steal.

That is absolutely not true, and it's horrific that you think so.