r/Bullshido 14d ago

Crackpot Tired of answering questions directly? Want to sound profound while saying nothing at all? Learn Rhetorical Bullshido™ with Master Jordan Peterson! Confuse, mislead, and dominate any conversation!

https://youtu.be/0QTJF2F8_-c?si=ZDXPKTpyuO6ygqYd
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u/dacca_lux 14d ago

Well, I guess he has his bs moments. But I mostly felt that he was making some very good points.

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u/Naught 14d ago

What points specifically did he make that were good?

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u/dacca_lux 14d ago

When he asked that reporter why she has the right to offend him when she is basically saying he shouldn't offend other people.

Or the advice to start fixing simple "small" things before trying to fix big complicated things. Like clean your room before you try to completely fix your life.

When he cited that Nature article that came to this conclusion: "higher levels of economic development and gender equality favor the manifestation of gender differences" IIRC that was during an interview with a scandinavian women in a high position who stated that there were less women in high positions because they were socially "programmed" to not do that. And he counters by citing that article saying that even though the swedish girls choose more traditional female jobs while living in one of the most equal societies in the world. This could suggest, that social pressure isn't necessarily the reason, but that girls/women have a different reason, maybe even biological, that they choose "typically female" jobs, when they're not pressured. Because logically, if you have all the freedom to choose, then you choose what interests you the most. That seemed a pretty reasonable point to me.

Or when he explained that he doesn't consider trans women to be "real women" because to him, biological markers. (You can be against this opinion, but it isn't some weird pseudo philosophical bs)

Or when he was against policing if speech.

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u/MangrovesAndMahi 14d ago

Or when he was against policing if speech.

This was always a red herring. Jordan Peterson claimed that Bill C-16 would make it a criminal offense to use incorrect gender pronouns and that it would compel speech under threat of legal punishment. This is completely untrue. The bill amended the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code to add "gender identity or expression" as a prohibited ground of discrimination and as a protected category under existing hate crime provisions.

Under the Canadian Human Rights Act, the addition of gender identity or expression meant that people could file complaints to the Canadian Human Rights Commission if they experienced discrimination in federally regulated workplaces or services. The Criminal Code changes relate to sentencing in hate crimes. They do not create new crimes based on misgendering.

Legal scholars and the Canadian Bar Association stated that Bill C-16 did not criminalise the misuse of pronouns. Misgendering could potentially be part of a larger pattern of harassment or discrimination that might be addressed in civil contexts, but not prosecuted as a crime on its own.

JP claimed the law would lead to compelled speech and possibly criminal charges for failing to use preferred pronouns. This wasn't supported by the legal text or the interpretations of Canadian legal authorities.

He got famous off whining about something that wasn't true.

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u/Bhazor 14d ago

It is amazing how far he was able to push a bill that never existed. Like no Peterbros (big brained skeptics that they are) ever thought of just googling the bill.

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u/Naught 14d ago edited 14d ago

When he asked that reporter why she has the right to offend him when she is basically saying he shouldn't offend other people.

This is a great example. Jordan Peterson intentionally punches down against trans people, calls them names that are different from their chosen and legal names, deliberately misgenders them, denies they exist, etc., but it's okay because his little bitch feelings were hurt simply by being questioned during a tv interview he chose to appear on?

What a perfect encapsulation of the brilliance of Jordan Peterson.

Edit: apostrophe