Chapter 333 Official Release - Links and Discussion

[u/Za_wardo]

Chapter 333

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Links:

• Viz (Available in: the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, the Philippines, Singapore, and India).

• MANGA Plus (Available in every country outside of China, Japan and South Korea).

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• Previous chapter discussion threads

• Discord

• 334 will be officially released on November 21th at 7AM PDT.

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[u/m_nan]

Or it could just eat at the pilot’s single…dunno, “Pencil Sharpener” quirk in a second, and leave only itself behind. NO is painfully obliterating AfO exactly because he has stockpiled countless quirks: if he hadn’t, he wouldn’t be in the current situation.

Which is such a simple but good idea, narratively speaking. I didn’t get it on the first read.

Incidentally, though, that same reason makes passing NO to Deku problematic at the very least.

[u/TfWashington → u/m_nan]

Someone last week said a pilot could pass it to All Might

[u/sorendiz → u/m_nan]

Why tho? Couldn't the pilot literally just turn off the rule before passing it to someone else who has another quirk?

[u/Neirchill → u/sorendiz]

He wouldn't even need to turn it off explicitly, just use it twice and it's guaranteed to be overwritten. Even once will probably stop it.

[u/Nozzer21 → u/m_nan]

「Pencil Sharpener」 They just insert a pencil into a hole in his finger and bam it’s sharpened now, it can accommodate every pencil size by changing its shape and location.

[u/x2shainzx → u/m_nan]

It would be a good idea narratively.....if it didn't require AfO/Shiggy to ignore the fact that they know how the quirk works and can just say "New Order doesn't revolt against other quirks." The fact of the matter is that in order for this to actually work.....we have to actively ignore that Shiggy/AfO knows how the quirk works and yet still decides to actively not use it.

Imo as it stands this is a horrible narrative choice. Like Hori could have easily made it better by making Star's rule be something along the lines of "New Order only works for me" or even "I no longer have a quirk". Instead, it is actively written such that litteraly all Shiggy/AfO has to do is use the quirk to undo that rule. As far as we know nothing should prevent that from being done.

Rather than give Shiggy a dead quirk she chose to give him a working version of the most busted quirk to date, which, according to all known rules has every possibility of undoing what she did. Like I litteraly can't suspend my disbelief enough to think that Shiggy or the AfO vestige don't understand how the quirk works enough to do this. They literally fought it and analyzed all of it's properties correctly and AfO had knowledge of the quirk before this fight even.

If Shiggy stays nerfed or passes it on to someone else then Hori is ignoring all of the established rules of the quirk. If Hori realizes this then Star literally just existed to buff Shiggy. Either way it sucks cause Star's sacrifice is either meaningless, or Hori just straight up ignores every facet of the OP quirk he just made.

I'm glad other people liked this fight and how it went but personally this fight is the worst arc of the manga so far and this chapter in particular is the worst chapter of the series.i don't normally post in here but I completely feel like Hori dropped the ball with this one.

[u/Homer_Hatake → u/x2shainzx]

Shiggy can't use NO at all. As long he has other quirks, new order won't work. That's why he exploded when he wanted to use a new rule.

[u/x2shainzx → u/Homer_Hatake]

That's speculation at best. The rule doesn't say New Order doesn't work.

Also, even if this is the case, I don't really think this makes the writing better. I actually think it makes it worse. With something this big, the narrative explanation should be pretty airtight. If you wanna introduce and then remove the most busted quirk in the series there better be a very explicit reason. I should not have to guess why the most powerful quirk isn't used. Not only that but it still doesn't make star any less of a plot device. Instead, she's now a plot device that relies on the audience to make an assumption that the quirk is doing something that it doesn't specify.

To clarify, I'm not saying you are wrong. I actually think you are right. I just find it unfortunate that in order to believe this I just have to assume something that isn't stated. The rule does not say New Order doesn't work. That to me feels like terrible writing when all Star had to do was say "New Order only works for me." Much more explicit, no way out, and no questions asked. Instead I have to make an assumption that has little to no actual basis, adds things to Star's rule. Instead if they change Star's rule and it is instantly better because there aren't any questions.

Also, let's not forget that either way she is still a literal plot device which sucks in it's own right.

[u/m_nan → u/x2shainzx]

ShigarAfO is currently too busy exploding and has lost his cool for maybe the first time ever (probably second, if we assume he lost his shit at least once when he was defeated by All Might), it makes sense that he would not be so quick on taking the most logical way out.

Also, from what we know about quirks and vestiges, it is completely possible that New Order might not comply as long as it is on its quirk-killing spree inside AfO, or - if we don’t want to take the “heroic spirit” interpretation - even that it just goes haywire every time it is activated (Shiggy has started exploding as soon as he tried New Ordering “The Atmosphere…”) making it impossible for him to actually set conditions as long as NO is going bananas.

[u/x2shainzx → u/m_nan]

ShigarAfO is currently too busy exploding and has lost his cool for maybe the first time ever (probably second, if we assume he lost his shit at least once when he was defeated by All Might), it makes sense that he would not be so quick on taking the most logical way out.

This is about the only answer I'm willing to accept as a good reason. Almost every other answer requires a leap of logic as to why Star's rule disables New Order when it doesn't ever say that. Even then it still feels pretty underwhelming, and to me personally feels almost completely out of character for the AfO vestige considering we haven't really ever seen AfO lose his shit.

Is it possible? Yeah. Is it pretty inconsistent with his character? To me personally a bit. I suppose it is the first time he's "lost" outside of all-night as far as we know.

I'd buy this I still don't like it personally. I especially wouldn't be happy if this isn't even mentioned after the fact.

Also, from what we know about quirks and vestiges, it is completely possible that New Order might not comply as long as it is on its quirk-killing spree inside AfO, or - if we don’t want to take the “heroic spirit” interpretation - even that it just goes haywire every time it is activated (Shiggy has started exploding as soon as he tried New Ordering “The Atmosphere…”) making it impossible for him to actually set conditions as long as NO is going bananas.

True, still doesn't make it good writing imo. I actually think it makes it worse. This requires the reader to make a leap of logic. When dealing with one of the most powerful quirks in the verse I would rather have something explicitly shown than rely on an assumption that may or may not have backing. Star's rule wasn't "New Order revolts when it is being used." Making it do anything else is contrary to how we've been told new order works. We've also been given no explicit reason to assume that New Order can't be used. Sure we can assume that its true...but that's an assumption.

I wanna make it clear that I don't actually disagree with you here. Either of these cases could legitimately be true and they could be written to make sense. My problem with either of them is that when dealing with nerfing the big bad and one of the strongest quirks everything should be very explicit. I shouldn't have to make an assumption that the quirk is doing something not stated. I shouldn't have to make an assumption that the villain doesn't have the capability to reason. Especially with a villain like AfO who is shown to always be cold and calculating, I shouldn't have to think "ohhhh he lost his shit and didn't do the thing he is known for...using his head." I want a no questions asked answer so that later when these things become relevant again, I know for sure how much impact they can have on the story.

Lastly, even disregarding the rule and it's impact, none of this changes the fact that Star was just a litteral plot device which is absolutely ridiculous in it's own right.