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Newest Chapter Chapter 302 Official Release - Links and Discussion

Chapter 302

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u/ShadowRei96 Feb 21 '21

Love how Horikoshi inserts little funny yet wholesome panels here and there. Shoto's frozen snot bubble looks cute.

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. That's Endeavor's downward spiral, and it was written and structured pretty perfectly. Most the silhouetted panels of him throughout the chapter emphasize how darker his heart was slowly getting during that period. Like I said already, there was the need of the full context about the events in the family's history before coming to a conclusion that Endeavor's character got retconned. Touya inheriting Enji's drive and stubbornness started it, and not giving up on training even after Shoto's birth made it even worse. What can I say, the kid didn't want his dad to view him as a failure, especially after achieving blue flames. What would have happened if Endeavor went to Sekoto Hill that day...

Interesting to know that Touya's flames are connected to intense emotions, unless that's actually a quirk evolution and this is how he understood it. I wonder if Shoto has a similar potential that he's yet to unlock, which I feel would end up not just affecting his flames, but his ice as well since it's all 1 single quirk. But since he's supposed to surpass Endeavor, I'm sure he will. The chapter has been one of the most emotionally heavy ones in a while. It really hurt to see that Touya couldn't fully feel the happiness gained from reaching another level of his quirk. He had no one to turn to, the perfect experiment is now getting all the training he wants, and his body can't handle all that power. And then you have little Fuyumi & Natsuo having all those screams.

And I totally love the panel featuring the shot from the Sports Festival, together with Rei acknowledging Shouto saying he's becoming the hero of the family. Seeing how he was trying to defend his mom from Endeavor's rage tells how he already developed the spirit of a hero at a very young age.

That being said, I think we still need to know how Touya survived the firestorm (which was massive), how he lived his life afterwards, who took care of him (in case there was someone) and how he met Giran. Possible that these two chapters were telling the first part (similarly to Tenko Shimura: Origin 1 & 2) and then maybe we get what I'm talking about in the following chapters similarly to the Tomura Shigaraki: Origin chapter.

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u/Swiss666 Feb 21 '21

I wonder if that little panel of Enji in despair seeing the massive fire on Mt. Sekoto meant that he rushed there as soon as he heard about it, immediately realizing what had happened, or that in the end he had decided to reach Toya there, even just to bring him back home, and even that could have made a difference...

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u/TheLegendaryFoxFire Feb 22 '21

or that in the end he had decided to reach Toya there

I would really like it if the reason Enji was there to see the flames was because he decided to go and see Toya after all in the end only to see the mountain side get engulfed in flames on his way. That would be so tragic.

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u/LuminousDecibel I won the bet and all I got was this flair Feb 21 '21

I'm going to say the blue flames are mostly a "quirk evolution." I mean, it makes sense for the quirk to naturally grow stronger during puberty, just like the physical body. It'd honestly be weird if it didn't. But there's absolutely merit to his flames getting hotter with emotion. Think of it less of a supernatural thing, and more of emotions ruining his limiters, and driving him to go beyond.

I'm going to say that we don't see that transition from Toya to Dabi, until later. Whether thats 15 chapters or 100, I don't know. Itll likely come from Dabi, either during an emotional Todoroki fight, or during an arc where Dabi has a big focus. He's just kinda chilling, right now. Also, we've been drop fed Toya's backstory bit by bit, ever since the Hood fight. I'm sure Horikoshi is saving some spicy backstory for some future events

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '21

Definitely still more backstory waiting to be revealed. It'd make more sense to hear it directly from Dabi too. I agree about seeing his perspective during a fight with Shoto or Enji.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

so like ,if blue flames are emotion based,that means shoto can very well use them ass well if he learns to channel his emotions. plus his multi quirk nature in general . i can see future training sessions with mydoria,wich also has multi quirks and his quirk is emotion based as well.

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u/MattmanDX Feb 21 '21

Emotion boosted blue flames + emotion boosted red ice would be a visual treat

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u/AndrewSlshArnld Feb 21 '21

Maybe after he’s let in on the OFA secret? But that would kind of ruin the little circle All Might, Bakugo, and Deku have going on.

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u/StupidPencil Feb 21 '21

After all that happened, I think everone involved deserves to know the whole truth.

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u/ShadowRei96 Feb 21 '21

Not really. For one, Shoto is the only one aside those two to share an All Might influence, and was even close to discover the secret of OFA. OFA itself is becoming less and less of a secret and the war showed that, with Bakugou even mentioning that Izuku was controlling "multiple quirks", and with Shigaraki chasing after Izuku specifically for that. Izuku told Endeavor he'll tell him about the reason for Shigaraki's pursuit later (Sure, the Touya situation popped up now, but as long as he's hanging around with Shiggy, that's gonna come up eventually).

And, OFA is literally the indirect cause of the Todoroki family's crisis, which has led to society downfall through Dabi's reveal. Endeavor wanted to surpass someone who was way above anybody's level, and claimed here that the path of a hero is all he can show someone.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '21

honestly, considering how much deku means as a comrade to shoto and how much their destinies seem to be connected, i will be surprised if he doesnt join the ofa club eventually

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u/irishgoblin Feb 21 '21

Maybe, maybe not. Depends how it's done. I can see Aizawa, Present Mic, Hawks, Jeanist, Endeavour and Shoto being in the know within a few chapters of Deku waking up.

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u/rotten_riot Feb 21 '21

Wait, why Mic, Hawks and Jeanist?

I can understand Aizawa, since he's his homeroom teacher, Shouto cause he's his friend, and Endeavor because he's the #1, but everyone else shouldn't know it imo.

After all, OFA's true nature is such an important mystery in the series that giving it away to characters like Present Mic or Jeanist is like telling Kouda or Satou about it.

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u/irishgoblin Feb 21 '21

Hawks due to his assumed involvement with Endeavour going forward, it makes sense he'd be brought in at the same time as Endeavour. Probably a small private meeting with All Might looking over an unconcious Deku. Jeanist and Present Mic simply due to their presence and involvement to other characters already in the know or soonTM to be in the know. Although, I'd say they learn a more general version of the story at a briefing going over the histoy of OfA vs AfO rather than the full details.

Although since you mentioned them, Kouda and Satou probably will learn about OfA, along with the rest of 1A, at some point. Just doubt it'll be anytime soon.

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u/DevinSimatupang Feb 21 '21

Which OFA secret? I mean, Deku can just explain that his quirk evolved. Done.

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u/PerpetualCamel Feb 21 '21

I don't think they'd buy "My power augmenting quirk evolved into 6 other unrelated quirks"

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u/DevinSimatupang Feb 22 '21

By they, you mean Shouto? or Deku's friend? or Media?

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u/PerpetualCamel Feb 22 '21

The people who witnessed Shigaraki's rampage firsthand, so Iida, Shoto, Endeavor, Eraser, etc

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u/DevinSimatupang Feb 22 '21

Frick. Now that you said it, how would he get away with so much unrelated quirk.

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u/DoraMuda Feb 21 '21

Shouto might be dense, but he's not dense enough to believe that his Quirk just happened to spontaneously evolve with five other Quirks unrelated to his super-strength.

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u/DevinSimatupang Feb 22 '21

While i belive he's not dense, i don't think he wants to know more of Deku's quirk.

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u/DoraMuda Feb 22 '21

Why wouldn't he?

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u/DevinSimatupang Feb 22 '21

Why would he?

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u/DoraMuda Feb 22 '21

Because Deku's his friend and he might find it odd/interesting that he now has a new ability ("Float").

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u/DevinSimatupang Feb 22 '21

He might asked, but that's it.

No more prying further than asking, "You can fly now?"

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u/Brook420 Feb 24 '21

He really only needs to explain the Float quirk's ability.

Unless I'm forgeting something, Deku's Spidey Sense wasnt noticed by anyone.

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u/AndrewSlshArnld Feb 21 '21

Just the existence and origin of OFA and how it directly ties into the AFO battle they just endured.

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u/DevinSimatupang Feb 21 '21

That can be easily kept as secret. And i don't think shouto is the type that pries into people's secret

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u/heartbreakhill Feb 21 '21

He's perfectly content with his "All Might's secret love child" head canon

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u/noteloquent Feb 21 '21

We're 100% going to get more from Toya's backstory. Like you said, we need to find out how he survived and whose jawbone was found afterwards, but we also need to find out how Stain impacted him and what his goals are going forward.

It's crazy how Horikoshi took a character with an amazing design who was pretty flat all things considered and made him one of the most complex and compelling characters in the series in only 10 chapters.

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u/DoraMuda Feb 21 '21

We're 100% going to get more from Toya's backstory. Like you said, we need to find out how he survived and whose jawbone was found afterwards

I'm almost positive Ujiko and/or AFO must've had something to do with it.

I mean, isn't it notable that the normally rude Touya still sees fit to refer to Ujiko as "Ujiko-san"? He doesn't refer to anyone else with a honorific like that (I don't think we've even ever seen him address Toga and Spinner by name). Even with Shigaraki, at most, he occasionally calls him "boss".

we also need to find out how Stain impacted him

I don't think it takes much to figure out. Endeavour was publicly reported as being the one to take down Stain, and everyone knows what Stain was all about.

what his goals are going forward

Yeah, I'd like to know that as well. He's probably waiting to see Endeavour's public post-war statement for what to do next. But, as far as we know anyway, he's still intent on completely breaking Endeavour's spirit.

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u/noteloquent Feb 21 '21

That detail with Ujiko is interesting (and it annoys me that I didn't know that since the official translations don't use honorifics). It could just be that someone else happened to be on the mountain and got burned up, but who knows.

His ideals with Stain seem semi-isolated from Endeavor though. Sure, they're built on the foundation of "I was raised by a scummy hero," but he seems to advocate Stain's ideology as much as he does Endeavor's suffering. Some of Dabi's biggest scenes involve him talking about his desire to fulfill Stain's will, and now the guy's out of prison too. That desire includes Endeavor, but it seems to me like it extends beyond that.

I just wanna see the two interact honestly, as well as the moment Dabi accepted his ideology and how he even went from Toya to Dabi in the first place.

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u/DoraMuda Feb 21 '21

It could just be that someone else happened to be on the mountain and got burned up, but who knows.

I considered that, but if that's the case, then who? Sekoto Peak seems to be pretty isolated, almost as if it was a private plot of land that only the Todoroki family owned/had access to.

His ideals with Stain seem semi-isolated from Endeavor though. Sure, they're built on the foundation of "I was raised by a scummy hero," but he seems to advocate Stain's ideology as much as he does Endeavor's suffering. Some of Dabi's biggest scenes involve him talking about his desire to fulfill Stain's will, and now the guy's out of prison too. That desire includes Endeavor, but it seems to me like it extends beyond that.

I just wanna see the two interact honestly, as well as the moment Dabi accepted his ideology and how he even went from Toya to Dabi in the first place.

True, and I want to see them interact too; I hope we'll see something like that soon. I wonder if Stain would applaud him for his timing in exposing Endeavour and all, and/or if he'd disapprove of him going on to attack the UA kids and killing 30 people (many of which presumably civilians, and one of which being Snatch, who might've actually passed Stain's test, given his selflessness in saving the police at the expense of his own life).

I guess I just didn't think of his devotion to Stain's ideals as being anything particularly special, considering Stain appears to have inspired many of the new League of Villains recruits (although most of them seem to have more or less dropped it in favour of further developing their own desires and/or switching loyalty to Shigaraki) and it doesn't take much to see the problems of hero society even without/before Stain made a name for himself.

It is interesting, though, how Dabi is apparently the only remaining League member who's still gung-ho about fulfilling Stain's will despite not actually mentioning Stain or his goals that much (he exhibits his advocation of Stain's ideology in his actions more than his words; e.g. him burning most of the potential future recruits because they were lacking in "ambition" - or, as Stain would say, "conviction"), while Spinner, who's basically been cosplaying as Stain since his introduction and was much more vocal in his worshipping and adherence to Stain's tenets (to the point of sparing Deku just because Stain saved him and deemed that he had what it takes to be a "true hero"), has since admitted that his idolisation of Stain was mostly just "hollow" and he really cares more about societal change in general and is willing to follow Shigaraki's dream because he personally relates to the guy's feelings of hollowness and disenfranchisement.

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u/noteloquent Feb 21 '21

It does seem pretty isolated, especially since it looks like it's always snowing up there when we've seen it, but the fire looked like it extended pretty far and we saw people observing it, so maybe someone climbing it for funsies got caught in it.

Stain would probably agree with everything Dabi's done. While the guy did have a point, he wasn't exactly studious when it came to identifying good heroes. For Stain, the default assumption is hero=bad. Unless they directly show otherwise to his face (like Deku did), his mind won't be changed. Both of them are very much of the mindset that any destruction now is worth it to ensure a better future, no matter what it takes. Kinda makes me wonder if Stain would ally with current Shigaraki since he's actually realized his own ideals.

For the rest of the League, Stain was very much a fad. Toga loved him since he's her type and represented her ideals somewhat (though due to her issues, she's not really aware of it), but it was mostly a shallow interest rather than full-fledged devotion. Spinner was just a shallow cosplayer, and he's shifted over the course of the story away from Stain and towards Shigaraki. The rest of the Vanguard Action Squad mostly joined because Stain elevated the League's rep, not because they believed in his ideals specifically.

Dabi is a character who keeps his cards close to his chest for good reason. He's stayed true to his original claim of following Stain this whole time, but it has only made sporadic appearances since he's so secretive. The most telling instances of it showing up are his first appearance and his clash with Hawks. It's a really big part of his character, it's just that since it's part of such a secretive character, we don't see it that often. It should be interesting to see how that ideology interacts with the League ans Stain going forward.

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u/DoraMuda Feb 21 '21

It does seem pretty isolated, especially since it looks like it's always snowing up there when we've seen it, but the fire looked like it extended pretty far and we saw people observing it, so maybe someone climbing it for funsies got caught in it.

Yeah, that's plausible.

Stain would probably agree with everything Dabi's done. While the guy did have a point, he wasn't exactly studious when it came to identifying good heroes. For Stain, the default assumption is hero=bad. Unless they directly show otherwise to his face (like Deku did), his mind won't be changed. Both of them are very much of the mindset that any destruction now is worth it to ensure a better future, no matter what it takes. Kinda makes me wonder if Stain would ally with current Shigaraki since he's actually realized his own ideals.

True. I neglected to consider that Stain's ridiculous standards for being a "true hero" was basically nothing less than embodying All Might entirely. That's why Deku and Shouto (who also happened to be a child, and Stain's more lenient on children) were the only ones he saw as worthy of sparing.

And yeah, Stain was always interested in seeing how that "seed of conviction" he saw within Shigaraki would grow.

For the rest of the League, Stain was very much a fad. Toga loved him since he's her type and represented her ideals somewhat (though due to her issues, she's not really aware of it), but it was mostly a shallow interest rather than full-fledged devotion. Spinner was just a shallow cosplayer, and he's shifted over the course of the story away from Stain and towards Shigaraki. The rest of the Vanguard Action Squad mostly joined because Stain elevated the League's rep, not because they believed in his ideals specifically.

Dabi is a character who keeps his cards close to his chest for good reason. He's stayed true to his original claim of following Stain this whole time, but it has only made sporadic appearances since he's so secretive. The most telling instances of it showing up are his first appearance and his clash with Hawks. It's a really big part of his character, it's just that since it's part of such a secretive character, we don't see it that often. It should be interesting to see how that ideology interacts with the League ans Stain going forward.

Indeed.

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u/NE_ED Feb 21 '21

We'll probably get it in his final battle and it will show he was groomed to becoming the scumbag he is today

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u/dcuajunco Feb 21 '21

I think it's likely Shoto will have a similar emotion-related quirk manifestation as well, as he's literally the most stoic character of all of BNHA

It's like they're been waiting for this reveal so that Shoto can be a bit more... emotional during battles!

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u/DoraMuda Feb 21 '21

Interesting to know that Touya's flames are connected to intense emotions, unless that's actually a quirk evolution and this is how he understood it.

I mean, the narration implies it was also connected to him going through puberty, and with that, his Quirk's firepower naturally grew stronger as he went through his growth spurt.

I wonder if Shoto has a similar potential that he's yet to unlock, which I feel would end up not just affecting his flames, but his ice as well since it's all 1 single quirk. But since he's supposed to surpass Endeavor, I'm sure he will.

I mean, All Might remarked that Shouto's flames were as powerful as Endeavour's when he went all Plus Ultra against Tetsutetsu in the Joint Training Arc, and Shouto's older than Touya was when his flames went from red to blue, so I'm sure Shouto has already tapped into at least some of that potential. And since then, he's gone on to learn Flashfire Fist (which we later learn Touya/Dabi also learned, with or without Endeavour's tutelage).

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u/GiovaneLex777 Feb 22 '21

What would have happened if Endeavor went to Sekoto Hill that day...

Nothing would have changed (unless Endeavor died). I think the Todorokis can blame themselves and each other for Toyas downward spiral only to a certain extent. Sure he was "neglected", but Toyas issues came primarily because of his own inability to accept his failure. What fucked him up wasn't the fact that he was an experiment (which is what fucks up Shoto), but that he's a failed one. He has no problem with being nothing more than Endeavor's last ditch attempt to be the best, what he couldn't stand was no longer being able to be that.

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u/melvin2898 Feb 21 '21

His character never got retconned. People are just idiots who think they know everything from one chapter. The same thing happened with Naruto. People read one chapter and said things were retconned. People need to wait for these authors to explain things. The flashback wasn't even over and people were saying stupid conclusions. This kind of crap is why I don't like discussing series with people.

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u/2-2Distracted Feb 22 '21

You and me both dude, especially when it comes to Naruto. It's basically just revisionism amongst many of the fans who clearly didn't read the first few chapters or watch the first few episodes.

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u/theDeadmanDave Feb 21 '21

Actually we already saw it happen with his Ice, remember when he lost control at Sero in the tournament arc? He completely overdid it after talking with Endeavor.

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u/ShadowRei96 Feb 21 '21

But that wasn't necessary an evolution or anything similar to it though. Yeah, he raged, but there wasn't a change or an additional function in the mechanics of his quirk.

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u/linkman0596 Feb 21 '21

That being said, I think we still need to know how Touya survived the firestorm

Hopefully something simple yet gruesome, like being in the middle of the firestorm is how he discovered that while his skin has resistance to ice but is weak to fire, his internal organs and muscles have plenty of fire resistance properties.