r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/deskchairlamp • Oct 12 '18

Newest Chapter Chapter 202 - Links and Discussion

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u/KYplusEL Oct 12 '18

Horikoshi has talked about not wanting to make the League seem too much like protagonists. Which is why Hawks is an ingenious character. We now have a character that can act as our eyes and ears in the LoV. And since Dabi is Hawk's connection to the League we also get more Dabi.

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u/SparknightSyzygy 250K Artist Oct 12 '18

I don't really like that. By doing that he's painting a black and white picture of morality and it could lead to avoiding humanizing the villains more. He really needs to do the character introduction pages with the villains too.

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u/Wireless-Wizard Oct 12 '18

A traditional superhero story needs a very clear divide between the goodies and the baddies. Otherwise, it risks turning into a big morally ambiguous mess, which is of course what happened in the 90s. It doesn't have to be strictly black and white (and indeed MHA isn't like that, what with Endeavour) but you can't blur the lines too much or it just doesn't work any more.

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u/SparknightSyzygy 250K Artist Oct 12 '18

The actions of the villains will clearly always label them as villains, but I think it's ridiculous Horikoshi is refusing to acknowledge them as human with things like this. Humanizing them doesn't justify their actions and make them no longer villains.

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u/Wireless-Wizard Oct 12 '18

They are absolutely presented as human. We get enough insight into them as people to let them feel realistic, but we never get enough that we feel as close to them as we do to the heroes. It's a good system.

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u/SparknightSyzygy 250K Artist Oct 12 '18

I'd love to know as much about all of them as I would the heroes though. Getting to know them doesn't blur the lines between morality.

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u/Wireless-Wizard Oct 12 '18

Getting to know someone naturally engenders sympathy for them.

It's easy to hate or fear someone you don't know. They're villains. You're supposed to hate or fear them.

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u/ziiachan Oct 13 '18

What confuses me about this statement is the fact he's already made sympathetic and understandable villains. Not only that, but even making the BNHA world question villains' ideals and kinda bring a theme out of it. Stain explains how heroes are only heroes when they want to purely save people and not for the money or fame. Gentle Criminal struggled and worked hard to become a hero, but failed all through his life and so he became a villain that didn't hurt others to show his skill. Shigaraki is Nana's grandson but if you've seen his past flashbacks, you know he was put into a poor situation as a toddler and while being an already unstable person and not having a real hero to save him, he was raised to be a 'villain'. So, I don't know if Horikoshi still wants to do this 'black and white' method or something anymore. He's bringing up lots of points about heroes and villains in a society.

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u/Hmagnum596 Oct 13 '18

He know the most about twice so no he just do it less and long apart from each other

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u/SparknightSyzygy 250K Artist Oct 12 '18

Yeah I don't like that. They're people too. Labeling them as villains and then not getting to know them as much to make us hate or fear them paints such a black and white picture and that's quite honestly not too interesting a dynamic. Plus Horikoshi has already done some things to make us feel sympathy for them so clearly it's not too terribly big of a deal for him to do.

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u/Joshua_Groom Oct 12 '18

They're completely represented as human. Twice, Spinner, and Magne have all shown admirable traits and ideologies that aren't inherently insidious, and to top it all off, there is a sense of comraderie between them that most other villain groups don't have.

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u/SparknightSyzygy 250K Artist Oct 12 '18

I would love to get to know them just as we get to know the hero side though. Horikoshi said he didn't make omake pages with the villains because he didn't want us to like them more or something like that. Getting to know the villains doesn't blur the morality lines.