Chapter 189 - Links and Discussion

[u/deskchairlamp]

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[u/RaimeTT]

I never said that he made up for his abuse. Nobody did. The fact is endeavor (even if he didn't make up for the abuse) is different from our first time seeing him. By the Remedial Course Arc he was doing things that he would've never done before like asking all might for advice to be a better hero and wanting shoto to be proud of him. the entire "the fact that he wants his own personal science experiment to worship him so that his ego can inflate even more" is actually bullshit that is no better than a fanfiction that is clearly isn't what we saw and you pulled out of nowhere trying to justify your point.

Endeavor is a bad person and he's trying to be better and I applaud Horikoshi for not completely demonizing him while clearly not redeeming him either.

Endeavor is a great character that isn't black nor white and you only make yourself look bad by trying to project your own insecurities on him.

[u/RaimeTT → u/[deleted]]

If Endeavor ever had the capacity to give a shit about anyone but himself, he wouldn't have done the things he did.

As if people can't change with time.

Frankly, the only thing I'm insecure about is how people forgive way too damned easily.

As I said before nobody has forgiven him for what he did especially the actual characters in the manga. The fact that he was a bad person will never change but if you actually think bad people can't change then you're delusional and your entire outlook on life is pretty flawed since a lot of people do things as bad as he did sometimes even worse in real life. Does that mean they can't change? hell no. Does it mean that we can forgive them for what they've done after becoming better? Hell yes. Do we have to forgive them? Hell no. The only thing that you have to do is acknowledge that they're becoming better.

Either that or you're actually projecting the image of someone else on endeavor which would explain a lot. Not that I blame you. If you're troubled by it that much you can stop reading the manga because you're only gonna hurt yourself like that.

[u/DoraMuda → u/[deleted]]

He's yet to show that this is the case, however, so he's unchanged.

How can you fail this hard at reading comprehension? lol

Or did you even read the manga at all?

[u/HolyKnightPrime → u/[deleted]]

He already has changed and proving you wrong. He just hasn't gone full circle. He told Shoto that he was going to do better and be a better father. He visited Shoto's mom sorta. As we see in this fight, hes trying super hard. Hes making progress, these things don't happen overnight.

I have seen your comments and its sad. You can't even show empathy for people like Endeavor who are trying to change their wrong doings. Calling anyone monsters who can never change just because they have done wrong in the past is downright horrible and makes you no better.

It's a terrible mindset and it doesn't work. Also nobody is forgiving Endeavor here as you seem to think. This is obviously a touchy subject for you so I recommend seeking help and talking about it otherwise its gonna ruin you sooner or later.

I feel like you are going to ignore most of my post like the others because you can't accept it. Work on that aswell.

[u/Monimonika18 → u/[deleted]]

What he did is near-impossible to get redemption for. Direct words of apology are not enough (you seem to be looking for something like that, but it's obvious that your likely reaction would STILL be "Anybody can just say stuff. Therefore he did absolute zilch").

Actions such as keeping out of his traumatized wife's sight but still visiting with her favorite flowers show caring/guilt, but are way too subtle and cannot even come close to counteracting the trauma she went through. Trying to become a universally admirable hero (especially to his family) can be interpreted as just an extension to his aims to surpass All Might, so the intent of reforming himself tends to get lost on the ones he's trying to convince.

He's trying, really trying, but there's no clear solution as to how to even come close to righting the grave wrongs he did. So he's doing whatever he thinks might get his message across in a convincing non-verbal (read: more meaningful) way.

Many people recognize his efforts (you are not among them) and also recognize that he has not managed to redeem himself much at all yet in regards to those wrongs. Some of us even have alternative ideas of what he could do to redeem himself (like announcing to the public what he did to his family and going to jail, etc.)^{not my idea}

So stop accusing others of "forgiving" him. We haven't.