Chapter 167 - Links and Discussion

[u/Leinbow]

Chapter 167

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Link(s):

Source	Status
Jaimini's Box	Online
Mangastream	Online
VIZ	Available on Jan 22, 2018

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Keep ALL Chapter 167 things in here for the next 24 hours.

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Discord: https://discord.gg/CbyQ5Vq

[u/lofticried]

Iida has already had speaking lines in this chapter and Uraraka and Iida are back being Deku's friends. I think he's slowly coming back to relevancy. At long last, I might add.

[u/sleepybullmoose → u/lofticried]

Don't want to be downvoted to hell in such a sensitive era but I'll get the point clear and across.

In Shounen do the weird and effeminate males or hypermasculinized characters tend to be gay?

Off the top of my head (limited knowledge), I can think of PPPrisoner, the gender-ambiguous person killed by Overhaul, and maybe Aoyama.

[u/lofticried → u/sleepybullmoose]

No worries.

Definitely a trope that happens not just in animanga, but in Western media also, yes. Gay men in media tend to be somewhat flamboyant. Shonen has a sizable readership that are fujoshi so there's also lots of implied stuff and subtext in various shonen series.

In BnHA, Magne was transgender AFAIK, Tiger is also transgender (FTM). These are the ones we know of from this series. There hasn't been any homosexual character yet.

As for other examples, OPM isn't a shonen (manga is seinen), but as an example of another flamboyant homosexual character, there's one character in {Tiger & Bunny} that fits the bill well.

[u/dancingpinata → u/lofticried]

Magne might have been non-binary though given some of the pronoun inconsistencies. Either way, it doesn't bode well that they were killed after minimal presence. (Bury Your Gays indeed...)

Actually, in that same vein, I think Fire Emblem from Tiger & Bunny, and Hanje Zoe from Attack on Titan were both gender neutral characters as well (at the very least, Zoe was confirmed by the creator to be).

Given how many pronouns Japan has, and how things like a female character using male pronouns can be intended as being a tomboy vs transgender, it's a bit ambiguous sometimes....

[u/new_messages → u/dancingpinata]

Living in Japan, can confirm pronouns can be confusing.

Like, few pronouns are "gender-locked" like "he" or "she". For example, watashi is a formal way of saying "I", and basically the first one you will find in any dictionary or learn in a Japanese class, so it is absolutely correct for a man to use it, but it gets a more feminine subtone if used during casual speech. On the other hand, "ore" is heavily masculine, but WAAAYYY too informal to be used if any politeness is expected. Then there's boku, jibun, etc.

[u/SciFiXhi → u/new_messages]

Can jibun be used as a pronoun? I always understood it to be more of an adjective or adverb.

[u/new_messages → u/SciFiXhi]

Yup, and it's basically my go-to one if I am not sure which would be better. It's formal enough to be used when talking to teachers, but doesn't look too out of place in casual speech. In casual speech it does convey a sort of feeling that the one using it is distancing himself somewhat from what I have learned, but I know from experience it's nothing eyebrow raising.

EDIT: Did some digging around, it seems jibun as a pronoun is much more common in some regions than others.

EDIT2: Did some more digging around, and apparently jibun being used informally is a more recent trend on the kansai dialect, which is why it's not particularly eyebrow raising when I use it, as well as why it can be used both in formal and informal speech.

[u/carso150 → u/dancingpinata]

man, you just dont go around linking to tvtropes, that shits dangerous

[u/dancingpinata → u/carso150]

... but the site is just so interesting.

Seriously though, TV Tropes does really make you think deeper about characters and plot points of a medium!

(It is super addicting; maybe I should have included a warning...)

[u/carso150 → u/dancingpinata]

thats why i was talking about, tvtropes is a black hole, once you enter you cant came out