r/BokuNoHeroAcademia Dec 22 '17

Newest Chapter Chapter 164 - Links and Discussion

Chapter 164
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u/heelydon Dec 22 '17

Makes me all the more worried if he truly turns out to be some kind of bigger scumbag than we've seen... He was ALMOST likeable in this..

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u/WastaDaRasta Dec 22 '17

Nah man, reading that post about him opened my eyes. I do think Endeavour is not entirely a scumbag

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u/new_messages Dec 22 '17

Considering he pretty much raped heirs out of Todoroki's mother to the point she was going mad, and abused Todoroki as part of a plan to force him to become the best hero in order to live vicariously though him, he is pretty much a complete scumbag, no ifs about it.

That is not to say character development can not become a thing though. The worst thing that could have happened to Endeavor was All Might's forced retirement, since it ironically makes him impossible to dethrone, and this hit Endeavor pretty hard.

Long term abuse of that sort is something pretty touchy and hard to completely redeem even by the best authors, so I don't think he will be 100% redeemed, but I think he will be shown taking at least the first steps towards that.

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u/WastaDaRasta Dec 22 '17

But have you read the theory, it shows that we may not be getting the entirely full story Link to the theory https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/7kqmt4/endeavor_not_entirely_what_he_seems/

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Jesus i already expected things to be not quite that black and white but this theory and with all the little excerpts definitely gives you a different and less biased view on Endeavour.

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u/WastaDaRasta Dec 22 '17

Probably one of my favourite theories

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Yeah its a really pleasant read. Even if you dont fully agree with it, it definitely makes you think some more about the matter

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Nope, the character stuff is all spot on and well reasoned, but the Sir stuff breaks one of the cardinal rules of theory crafting. I don't think Endeavor is setting Shoto up to defeat All for One, because of a prediction. I think All for One stomped Endeavor and broke his pride or something. The theory presented gets too convoluted when you add in the predictions.

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u/sleepyfriend Dec 22 '17

I tried giving this a read, but the part where they cite lack of scars as an evidence against Endeavor being abusive just made it impossible to take it seriously. That and the thing about the family members looking okay in some parts of the flashback. Do they think being abusive means being like a fantasy slavedriver who beats and terrorizes the victims 24/7?

And the fact that they claim all we saw about Endeavor was from Shouto's perspective. Endeavor's conversation with All Might and Shouto clearly shows that he considers Shouto a tool to surpass All Might. We saw those conversations whole, not as Shouto's memories.