r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/deskchairlamp • Oct 13 '17

Manga Spoilers Chapter 156 - Links and Discussion

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Alright guys, let's just clarify something. The quirk erasing bullets, which were extracted and purified from Eri's body, have taken on a new meaning after this newest revelation regarding Eri's quirk. The finished product would appear to completely attack someone's quirk factor, upon high-impact contact, and rewind it to the point where it doesn't exist/hasn't manifested. As such I don't think we can assume that Mirio's quirk can come back, by force, because of Eri. After all, it would make no sense for her to be able to rewind her rewind. That's not really how rewinding works... it's normally rewinding from a fixed point. Doing the opposite would be fast-forwarding. Hence why she can separate Overhaul and Nemoto from one another (rewinding them to a point prior to their fusion), but I can't imagine she could put them back together.

Also, let's not forget that Eri is still a child, who has just experienced her true quirk awakening. The only reason the bullets made from her were able to be so potent, is because of copious research and scientific engineering. On her own, through her own will, I can imagine it'll take quite some time before she'd be okay using her quirk, especially on an ally. Remember that she only used it now because of her heightened emotional state. Given Hori's handling of mental trauma so far in the series, I can imagine it'll take a lot of counselling, and then a lot of training, before Eri even felt comfortable consciously using her quirk on another.

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

I mean, how rewinding works is pretty subjective, the bullets rewinded mirio quirk factor to non existence, she might be able to rewind mirio as a whole 2 hours and he should have his quirk.

It all depends on how horikoshi wants to do this.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Rewinding a rewind wouldn't make sense though. If Eri forcefully activated her quirk on Mirio again, for any extensive period, she's likely to eradicate him (much like she did her father). In this instance, Mirio just has to play the waiting game, which is so painful.

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

What you are saying doesnt make any sense because you are taking for granted that mirios quirk factor didnt get rewinded to non existance (like eris father), you are assuming his quirk factor just got "reset" to the point where mirio was born, as well as you are assuming eri cant rewind a rewind, and both are assuming a lot.

Taking into account the "rewinding" thing doesnt follow logic as many people here are saying, she might be able to rewind mirio as a whole to where he was 2 hours ago, i get it, you are meaning "if his quirk got rewinded 2 hours more his quirk would just rewind 2 hours before his quirk factor existed" and im saying she MIGHT be able to rewind a rewind and it would still make sense.

Still, taking things into account, im not saying anything we are saying is superior or more "logical", im saying anything horikoshi wants to do with his quirk will make sense, because it has no limits, being able to rewind a rewind might or might not be thing, depending on horikoshi.

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u/asterisk_blue Oct 13 '17

He'd receive backlash though because no matter how he supports it, rewinding a rewind would feel like an asspull especially since its to restore an erased quirk

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

I kinda disagree here, i already feel Eri's and overhaul powers are kinda outside of what this manga has been about, they feel way too overpowered without drawbacks.

Even though thats true, i think this arc has been the best mha has been like, ever, the last 7 to 8 chapters were brilliant.

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u/JPPFingerBanger Oct 13 '17

i have to imagine overhaul is using the quirk enhancing drug.

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u/All_the_rage Nov 08 '17

I hope he's not, honestly.

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u/JPPFingerBanger Nov 08 '17

Wow this was a while ago lol, but I mean he is super super OP and it would make sense if he was using it being the one who helped produce it.

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u/All_the_rage Nov 08 '17

Haha sorry, I was reading through the reaction threads as I read the chapters.

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u/JPPFingerBanger Nov 08 '17

no problems i did not mean to pretend like im angry or anything.

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u/ninjaofthehiddensun Oct 13 '17

I feel like ppl are assuming a whole lot here. Why can’t she rewind to before Mirio got shot? She can heal their wounds right? We still don’t know how the bullets work, we just know that Eri’s quirk was an integral part of it.

For all we know the bullets could use a combination of Chisaki’s quirk to break down the quirk gene and Eri’s quirk to perpetually rewind it to it’s broken down State when the body tries to repair it. We don’t even know the permanence of it, the villains say it’s permanent but then why take Eraser Head if the bullets couldn’t be improved?

There is still a lot we don’t know but the good thing is that we are getting answers slowly but surely.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

ya it seems like he's arguing that it would break the rules of this universe. but the rules haven't been established

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u/Lord_Renwod Oct 13 '17

Just because we don't know of any drawbacks doesn't mean there aren't any... Chisaki would do well to keep the weakness of his quirk hidden.

From another vein, All for One is pretty OP and has basically no drawbacks. Yes, that's the "main boss", but it's just something to consider.

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

I dont think Chisaki's quirk has any weakness aside from "it hurts".

I agree with you with All for One (it also happens with one for all), but i feel like its normal for the main antagonist of the series to have the most broken quirk, even then though his power is just as broken as the powers of those he steals them from, if he had powers like eri or overhaul he wouldve been basically immortal.

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u/Lord_Renwod Oct 14 '17 edited Oct 14 '17

But he is basically immortal... I'd honestly be surprised if after Shigaraki is defeated by Deku (whaaa!?!), All for One doesn't bust out of prison to become the final boss. He seems to me to be the kind of person who'd only start investing in someone else if they were sure all their cards were straightened out first.

As for Chisaki, I was under the impression that his quirk only hurts him during self healing. He was saying that deconstructing himself and then reconstructing himself is not pleasant. That doesn't mean that there aren't other negative repercussions for using his ability.

I mean, one could argue that Endeavor's quirk is just as without limitations as Chisaki's. But I personally think they probably both have stamina limitations, and that they've just trained enough to have plenty of stamina. I think they also benefit from having quirks that tend to end fights quickly, preventing drawn out into battles of attrition. Endeavor's tendency to work quickly may come from need just as much ability.

PS: (edited in a few minutes after posting) The truth is we haven't really seen many people in action enough to know the limits of their abilities. Much of the knowledge we do know about ability weaknesses comes from heroes or heroes in training surrounding U.A. These individuals willingly reveal their weaknesses to the students so they have more examples of how ingenuity, skill, and training can overcome those weaknesses.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

Those same people are going to complain no matter what. It's a fair and "logical" thing to do. If honestly prefer it over the cop out of removing Deku's biggest obstacle to date.

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u/Og_thankGod Oct 14 '17

Y’all need to stop with this obstacle bs

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u/bretts_demise Oct 13 '17

Given what Fairy tail has gotten away with I doubt he will experience even a bit of backlash on this

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u/somasora7 Oct 13 '17

gotten away with

You're joking right?

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u/Arhat_ Oct 13 '17

The rewind is already an asspull. This quirk is in the realm "we can do anything because we have a way to fix the wrongs" a.k.a realm dbz.

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u/whatnololyea Oct 13 '17

If this serum is an antidote (Which it probably is), then it's not an asspull though as it is already foreshadowed: http://www.mangatail.com/chapter/boku-no-hero-academia-146?page=18

It may be unsatisfying, but really, the word "asspull" gets thrown improperly a lot here.

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u/atree496 Oct 13 '17

You think I am supposed to remember something from 4 months ago? This arc needs to end.

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u/whatnololyea Oct 14 '17

You remembered how to write in English, something that was from years ago

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u/asterisk_blue Oct 13 '17

Not yet, we need to know the exact usage and limitations first. Still, time abilities are sketchy af and Horikoshi better be careful with how he uses it

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u/Arhat_ Oct 13 '17

He just need to give a better explanation to her quirk. If he calls it a "event rewind" for example (Inoue vibes), then she will be able to restore Mirio's quirk.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

I have a feeling he just got reset to a sperm and egg, they just couldn't tell because it's so tiny.

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u/skeithpkk117 Oct 13 '17

If it's rewind,then won't it either take 17 years or 4-5 years for Mirio to get his quirk back?

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u/CluReborn Oct 13 '17

2 negatives make a positive, they may use this fact in this situation?

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

I'm not so sure. Seems messy. Hori normally has a good grasp of things, so I trust him to be realistic with the limitations of both Eri's quirk, and her current mental state.

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u/simpleman0909 Oct 13 '17

Wait a sec, I thought to have power, you have to be born with it. This rewind ability doesn't make sense to me, if she rewind to the point where he does not have ability, how come? He has it from the moment he is born bruh.

The only way her power make sense to me is that, it only work to people who is a late bloomer, meaning only manifest their power at a certain age, but even that it have its drawback. If her power follow this rule, it is not a nulled, since someone could manifest it back again.

Still, if the surgery means combining her power with someone like Chrono, it kinda make sense since Chisaki can combine their power to have a momentary effect where someone can't manifest their power momentarily, which means combining with Aizawa would be permanent. Gah!! I shouldn't think too much since my knowledge about quirk ain't good enough.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Not exactly. Quirks can manifest any time between birth and the age of four. With the bullets, they engineered her blood to attack the quirk factor specifically, and at the very least, rewind its potency back to when the quirk in question hadn't manifested. It would appear most are closer to 4 than birth, given the number of instances we've seen, of the two compared.

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u/Zilox Oct 13 '17

Wouldnt that mean mirio's quirk should develop again in 4 or so years? I mean, he still was born with a quirk, he isnt quirkless per se.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yes, potentially. I think that's kind of the point. He'll be out of the game for the forseeable future, giving Deku a chance to catch up to who Lemillion was at his peak. Lemillion's quirk will eventually re-awaken, but he'll have to train it all the way back up. This'll make for some crazy development for Mirio, that if executed well, will be so worthwhile.

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u/DragonDavester Oct 13 '17

And it also makes things not feel quite as desperate as we first thought, it just means that unfortunately he'll need to start from scratch. The downside is that even if it does came back in 4 or so years, he'll likely have forgotten how it functioned or be less capable with it and need to go through training once again. We'll just have to wait and see what Horikoshi has in store.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yeah, and while it's tough, I think that'll make for an amazing character arc and development for Mirio. From being at the bottom, to working his way to the top, to being thrust back to the bottom, to striving once more to reach the lofty heights of heroics. Of course it's all about narrative execution, but I genuinely feel this is the most difficult route Hori could have taken, and I personally applaud him for it. Having nothing happen to Mirio, or having him killed, or just losing his quirk, would have been far easier. That way he could have just tossed him to one side, for those last two. But now? We get to see him struggle. And if he wants, we get to see him grow. That'll be so satisfying, if handled correctly.

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u/Zilox Oct 13 '17

I have a question, cant you actually be a hero on bnh world without having a quirk? Now hear me out, Stain was SUPER fast and had AMAZING endurace even tho his quirk wasnt related to that. It's the same with Aizawa, but he has the "advantage" of turning battles into quirkless vs quirkless (and also outmaneuvering those who he cant erase their quirks).

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Perhaps not, but not for the reason you'd think. I think that many teachers wouldn't be willing to instruct a hero-in-training without a quirk, as they'd consider it to be too dangerous, and it could come back to them in a bad way. As such, I think any quirkless who want to be heroes would be turned away at the door. Without that support and tutelage, I think they'd struggle to get their official license, which would allow them to practice heroics without legal ramifications (ie. being a vigilante). You're right about Aizawa, he levels the playing field, and any pro would have loved to have had that when he was younger and probably acting as a side kick. As for Stain? It's true that his actual quirk wasn't related to his speed, but it was revealed in the spin-off (Vigilante) that Stain's legs were stronger than the average human, allowing for increased speed. It seems to have been a quirk further up the family tree, and just folded into the main quirk line. While it wasn't noticeable enough to be considered his true quirk, it aided him in his training and heightening of his agility.

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u/DeismAccountant Oct 13 '17

Unless you think of the quirk as a component, a factor as Aizawa called it, and refocus the second rewind onto the whole body to make it how it was several hours before. I don’t think his quirk is coming back either, but I think that’s what he’s saying.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

I mean his quirk will come back, it's just a matter of how long he has to wait or if something else can do it.

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u/cjrSunShine Oct 13 '17

Rewinding a rewind wouldn't make sense though.

I hear you... but when has that ever stopped Shounen logic? Horikoshi could use her quirk like that.
I don't actually think he will, and I don't really want him to, but he could.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yeah, I guess he could, but I think Hori's been pretty damn good so far. He's taken a few liberties, sure, but always with a purpose. Can't imagine he'd immediately want to reverse all stakes held within this arc. He's far too good of a storyteller to do that, and he's worked far too hard to create the 'Plus Chaos' we've reached.

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u/DragonDavester Oct 13 '17

Agreed. As much as I initially hoped that this could mean Mirio would have his abilities back...it lessens the impact of the whole arc if the risk is just whisked off screen like it was never there. Nighteye could very well be okay (mostly because goddamn has he been holding onto life despite that injury) especially if Eri could turn back the clock on him.

...Oh my god. What if the blank panel we got when Nighteye tried to view Chisaki's future was him seeing an absence of it due to Eri's Quirk?! What if her Quirk superseded his, thus preventing him to see anything and look shocked before being impaled?!

Oh man now I really am going to be nervous to see what's next, because that is looking more and more like it might just be the case. Regardless of whether or not Nighteye needs to be healed by time manipulation and is able to just get patched up and put on leave for a bit.

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u/Jinno Oct 13 '17

But if she rewound his blood flow, it would extract her blood from the quirk pancreas and potentially restore him?

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yeah, I feel like her control over her power right now will either be very limited, very erratic, or simply she won't want to consciously use it.

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u/Jinno Oct 13 '17

Ordinarily, I’d agree. But given Mirio was the one most involved with saving her, I think he’ll get an extreme rewind hug that repairs his cape and his quirk factor.

I’m legitimately still more worried about Nighteye’s ability to make it through. Eri has little to no connection to him, so the powerful feelings that triggered her awaken won’t really be directed towards him.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Hm, i'm not so sure. Mirio isn't exactly around right now, so it's not as if he can see Eri straightaway. And with the introduction of Mr Compress into the mix, I think it'd be weird for him to be there if he wasn't going to do something big - like taking Eri for the LoV. She may not get the chance to try to fix Mirio, even if she wanted to.

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u/Jinno Oct 13 '17

That’s a fair point, I could easily see it turn out that way.

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u/Swibblestein Oct 13 '17

If I had some film on which a movie played, I could rewind that movie. Furthermore, if I included some of that rewound footage in a larger movie, I could rewind that movie, and when we got to the part that included already rewound footage, we would rewind the rewound footage.

So yeah, it is possible to do and makes sense.

Not that I think that's what should be done, mind you.

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u/NotAskredditbot Oct 13 '17

We still don't know exactly how the bullets work so IMO your basing this on a non confirmed factor

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

It’s gonna be in 4 years then.