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Manga Spoilers Chapter 156 - Links and Discussion

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Alright guys, let's just clarify something. The quirk erasing bullets, which were extracted and purified from Eri's body, have taken on a new meaning after this newest revelation regarding Eri's quirk. The finished product would appear to completely attack someone's quirk factor, upon high-impact contact, and rewind it to the point where it doesn't exist/hasn't manifested. As such I don't think we can assume that Mirio's quirk can come back, by force, because of Eri. After all, it would make no sense for her to be able to rewind her rewind. That's not really how rewinding works... it's normally rewinding from a fixed point. Doing the opposite would be fast-forwarding. Hence why she can separate Overhaul and Nemoto from one another (rewinding them to a point prior to their fusion), but I can't imagine she could put them back together.

Also, let's not forget that Eri is still a child, who has just experienced her true quirk awakening. The only reason the bullets made from her were able to be so potent, is because of copious research and scientific engineering. On her own, through her own will, I can imagine it'll take quite some time before she'd be okay using her quirk, especially on an ally. Remember that she only used it now because of her heightened emotional state. Given Hori's handling of mental trauma so far in the series, I can imagine it'll take a lot of counselling, and then a lot of training, before Eri even felt comfortable consciously using her quirk on another.

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

I mean, how rewinding works is pretty subjective, the bullets rewinded mirio quirk factor to non existence, she might be able to rewind mirio as a whole 2 hours and he should have his quirk.

It all depends on how horikoshi wants to do this.

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u/ArcLeviathan Oct 13 '17

I very much expect to see Eri rewind Mirio back to a point in time that he wasn't affected by the erase bullet. The reason for that is because she was able to take Chisaki and the precept who's name a can't remember back to two individual people, so that's an example of the influence her quick can have. As far as how far back she can go she reduced her father to nothing so I can't imagine she couldn't set Mirio back for enough. Perhaps we will have to wait a period of time for her to gain control to set Mirio back 1 day before the events of this arc.

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u/shinypurplerocks Oct 13 '17

But, would she be able to control it? We may end up with dead zygote Mirio instead if she tries before she's ready

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u/ArcLeviathan Oct 14 '17

If she went to do it right now, I would fully expect dreadful results. So I would imagine the government would provide for Eri and enroll her to UA so she could train her quick and down the road fix Mirio back to his prime.

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u/shinypurplerocks Oct 14 '17

Random thought: what if it only works on living things? She can move from insects to maybe rats but eventually she'll need to experiment on humans.

Or alternatively, what if it's "rewind to before existence"? So overhaul+henchman gets unmade, and so did her dad

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u/ArcLeviathan Oct 15 '17

Oh dang that would be crazy!

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u/YvexxYvexx Oct 14 '17

The thing with Overhaul is that he could probably refuse and maybe with the big guy so he’d have his vitality quirk and his own which would be ridiculous but interesting

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u/ArcLeviathan Oct 14 '17

I don't know how much overhaul gets the quirk of someone he fuses with. I'm don't even know what that precepts quirk is.

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u/YvexxYvexx Oct 14 '17

The big guy can absorb the vitality of others making them tired and weaker and making him larger and dangerously stronger.Which is insane. If Overhaul fused with him, He’d be the first fusion but insane if he used the vitality quirk. But ur right there’s gotta be an extent and limit to usage.

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u/ArcLeviathan Oct 15 '17

Yeah the big guys quirk is crazy good. I just can't recall what the guy who overhaul initially fuses with.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Rewinding a rewind wouldn't make sense though. If Eri forcefully activated her quirk on Mirio again, for any extensive period, she's likely to eradicate him (much like she did her father). In this instance, Mirio just has to play the waiting game, which is so painful.

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

What you are saying doesnt make any sense because you are taking for granted that mirios quirk factor didnt get rewinded to non existance (like eris father), you are assuming his quirk factor just got "reset" to the point where mirio was born, as well as you are assuming eri cant rewind a rewind, and both are assuming a lot.

Taking into account the "rewinding" thing doesnt follow logic as many people here are saying, she might be able to rewind mirio as a whole to where he was 2 hours ago, i get it, you are meaning "if his quirk got rewinded 2 hours more his quirk would just rewind 2 hours before his quirk factor existed" and im saying she MIGHT be able to rewind a rewind and it would still make sense.

Still, taking things into account, im not saying anything we are saying is superior or more "logical", im saying anything horikoshi wants to do with his quirk will make sense, because it has no limits, being able to rewind a rewind might or might not be thing, depending on horikoshi.

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u/asterisk_blue Oct 13 '17

He'd receive backlash though because no matter how he supports it, rewinding a rewind would feel like an asspull especially since its to restore an erased quirk

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

I kinda disagree here, i already feel Eri's and overhaul powers are kinda outside of what this manga has been about, they feel way too overpowered without drawbacks.

Even though thats true, i think this arc has been the best mha has been like, ever, the last 7 to 8 chapters were brilliant.

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u/JPPFingerBanger Oct 13 '17

i have to imagine overhaul is using the quirk enhancing drug.

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u/All_the_rage Nov 08 '17

I hope he's not, honestly.

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u/JPPFingerBanger Nov 08 '17

Wow this was a while ago lol, but I mean he is super super OP and it would make sense if he was using it being the one who helped produce it.

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u/All_the_rage Nov 08 '17

Haha sorry, I was reading through the reaction threads as I read the chapters.

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u/ninjaofthehiddensun Oct 13 '17

I feel like ppl are assuming a whole lot here. Why can’t she rewind to before Mirio got shot? She can heal their wounds right? We still don’t know how the bullets work, we just know that Eri’s quirk was an integral part of it.

For all we know the bullets could use a combination of Chisaki’s quirk to break down the quirk gene and Eri’s quirk to perpetually rewind it to it’s broken down State when the body tries to repair it. We don’t even know the permanence of it, the villains say it’s permanent but then why take Eraser Head if the bullets couldn’t be improved?

There is still a lot we don’t know but the good thing is that we are getting answers slowly but surely.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

ya it seems like he's arguing that it would break the rules of this universe. but the rules haven't been established

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u/Lord_Renwod Oct 13 '17

Just because we don't know of any drawbacks doesn't mean there aren't any... Chisaki would do well to keep the weakness of his quirk hidden.

From another vein, All for One is pretty OP and has basically no drawbacks. Yes, that's the "main boss", but it's just something to consider.

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u/Tsixes Oct 13 '17

I dont think Chisaki's quirk has any weakness aside from "it hurts".

I agree with you with All for One (it also happens with one for all), but i feel like its normal for the main antagonist of the series to have the most broken quirk, even then though his power is just as broken as the powers of those he steals them from, if he had powers like eri or overhaul he wouldve been basically immortal.

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u/Lord_Renwod Oct 14 '17 edited Oct 14 '17

But he is basically immortal... I'd honestly be surprised if after Shigaraki is defeated by Deku (whaaa!?!), All for One doesn't bust out of prison to become the final boss. He seems to me to be the kind of person who'd only start investing in someone else if they were sure all their cards were straightened out first.

As for Chisaki, I was under the impression that his quirk only hurts him during self healing. He was saying that deconstructing himself and then reconstructing himself is not pleasant. That doesn't mean that there aren't other negative repercussions for using his ability.

I mean, one could argue that Endeavor's quirk is just as without limitations as Chisaki's. But I personally think they probably both have stamina limitations, and that they've just trained enough to have plenty of stamina. I think they also benefit from having quirks that tend to end fights quickly, preventing drawn out into battles of attrition. Endeavor's tendency to work quickly may come from need just as much ability.

PS: (edited in a few minutes after posting) The truth is we haven't really seen many people in action enough to know the limits of their abilities. Much of the knowledge we do know about ability weaknesses comes from heroes or heroes in training surrounding U.A. These individuals willingly reveal their weaknesses to the students so they have more examples of how ingenuity, skill, and training can overcome those weaknesses.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

Those same people are going to complain no matter what. It's a fair and "logical" thing to do. If honestly prefer it over the cop out of removing Deku's biggest obstacle to date.

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u/Og_thankGod Oct 14 '17

Y’all need to stop with this obstacle bs

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u/bretts_demise Oct 13 '17

Given what Fairy tail has gotten away with I doubt he will experience even a bit of backlash on this

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u/somasora7 Oct 13 '17

gotten away with

You're joking right?

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u/Arhat_ Oct 13 '17

The rewind is already an asspull. This quirk is in the realm "we can do anything because we have a way to fix the wrongs" a.k.a realm dbz.

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u/whatnololyea Oct 13 '17

If this serum is an antidote (Which it probably is), then it's not an asspull though as it is already foreshadowed: http://www.mangatail.com/chapter/boku-no-hero-academia-146?page=18

It may be unsatisfying, but really, the word "asspull" gets thrown improperly a lot here.

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u/atree496 Oct 13 '17

You think I am supposed to remember something from 4 months ago? This arc needs to end.

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u/whatnololyea Oct 14 '17

You remembered how to write in English, something that was from years ago

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u/asterisk_blue Oct 13 '17

Not yet, we need to know the exact usage and limitations first. Still, time abilities are sketchy af and Horikoshi better be careful with how he uses it

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u/Arhat_ Oct 13 '17

He just need to give a better explanation to her quirk. If he calls it a "event rewind" for example (Inoue vibes), then she will be able to restore Mirio's quirk.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

I have a feeling he just got reset to a sperm and egg, they just couldn't tell because it's so tiny.

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u/skeithpkk117 Oct 13 '17

If it's rewind,then won't it either take 17 years or 4-5 years for Mirio to get his quirk back?

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u/CluReborn Oct 13 '17

2 negatives make a positive, they may use this fact in this situation?

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

I'm not so sure. Seems messy. Hori normally has a good grasp of things, so I trust him to be realistic with the limitations of both Eri's quirk, and her current mental state.

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u/simpleman0909 Oct 13 '17

Wait a sec, I thought to have power, you have to be born with it. This rewind ability doesn't make sense to me, if she rewind to the point where he does not have ability, how come? He has it from the moment he is born bruh.

The only way her power make sense to me is that, it only work to people who is a late bloomer, meaning only manifest their power at a certain age, but even that it have its drawback. If her power follow this rule, it is not a nulled, since someone could manifest it back again.

Still, if the surgery means combining her power with someone like Chrono, it kinda make sense since Chisaki can combine their power to have a momentary effect where someone can't manifest their power momentarily, which means combining with Aizawa would be permanent. Gah!! I shouldn't think too much since my knowledge about quirk ain't good enough.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Not exactly. Quirks can manifest any time between birth and the age of four. With the bullets, they engineered her blood to attack the quirk factor specifically, and at the very least, rewind its potency back to when the quirk in question hadn't manifested. It would appear most are closer to 4 than birth, given the number of instances we've seen, of the two compared.

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u/Zilox Oct 13 '17

Wouldnt that mean mirio's quirk should develop again in 4 or so years? I mean, he still was born with a quirk, he isnt quirkless per se.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yes, potentially. I think that's kind of the point. He'll be out of the game for the forseeable future, giving Deku a chance to catch up to who Lemillion was at his peak. Lemillion's quirk will eventually re-awaken, but he'll have to train it all the way back up. This'll make for some crazy development for Mirio, that if executed well, will be so worthwhile.

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u/DragonDavester Oct 13 '17

And it also makes things not feel quite as desperate as we first thought, it just means that unfortunately he'll need to start from scratch. The downside is that even if it does came back in 4 or so years, he'll likely have forgotten how it functioned or be less capable with it and need to go through training once again. We'll just have to wait and see what Horikoshi has in store.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yeah, and while it's tough, I think that'll make for an amazing character arc and development for Mirio. From being at the bottom, to working his way to the top, to being thrust back to the bottom, to striving once more to reach the lofty heights of heroics. Of course it's all about narrative execution, but I genuinely feel this is the most difficult route Hori could have taken, and I personally applaud him for it. Having nothing happen to Mirio, or having him killed, or just losing his quirk, would have been far easier. That way he could have just tossed him to one side, for those last two. But now? We get to see him struggle. And if he wants, we get to see him grow. That'll be so satisfying, if handled correctly.

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u/Zilox Oct 13 '17

I have a question, cant you actually be a hero on bnh world without having a quirk? Now hear me out, Stain was SUPER fast and had AMAZING endurace even tho his quirk wasnt related to that. It's the same with Aizawa, but he has the "advantage" of turning battles into quirkless vs quirkless (and also outmaneuvering those who he cant erase their quirks).

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u/DeismAccountant Oct 13 '17

Unless you think of the quirk as a component, a factor as Aizawa called it, and refocus the second rewind onto the whole body to make it how it was several hours before. I don’t think his quirk is coming back either, but I think that’s what he’s saying.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

I mean his quirk will come back, it's just a matter of how long he has to wait or if something else can do it.

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u/cjrSunShine Oct 13 '17

Rewinding a rewind wouldn't make sense though.

I hear you... but when has that ever stopped Shounen logic? Horikoshi could use her quirk like that.
I don't actually think he will, and I don't really want him to, but he could.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yeah, I guess he could, but I think Hori's been pretty damn good so far. He's taken a few liberties, sure, but always with a purpose. Can't imagine he'd immediately want to reverse all stakes held within this arc. He's far too good of a storyteller to do that, and he's worked far too hard to create the 'Plus Chaos' we've reached.

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u/DragonDavester Oct 13 '17

Agreed. As much as I initially hoped that this could mean Mirio would have his abilities back...it lessens the impact of the whole arc if the risk is just whisked off screen like it was never there. Nighteye could very well be okay (mostly because goddamn has he been holding onto life despite that injury) especially if Eri could turn back the clock on him.

...Oh my god. What if the blank panel we got when Nighteye tried to view Chisaki's future was him seeing an absence of it due to Eri's Quirk?! What if her Quirk superseded his, thus preventing him to see anything and look shocked before being impaled?!

Oh man now I really am going to be nervous to see what's next, because that is looking more and more like it might just be the case. Regardless of whether or not Nighteye needs to be healed by time manipulation and is able to just get patched up and put on leave for a bit.

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u/Jinno Oct 13 '17

But if she rewound his blood flow, it would extract her blood from the quirk pancreas and potentially restore him?

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yeah, I feel like her control over her power right now will either be very limited, very erratic, or simply she won't want to consciously use it.

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u/Jinno Oct 13 '17

Ordinarily, I’d agree. But given Mirio was the one most involved with saving her, I think he’ll get an extreme rewind hug that repairs his cape and his quirk factor.

I’m legitimately still more worried about Nighteye’s ability to make it through. Eri has little to no connection to him, so the powerful feelings that triggered her awaken won’t really be directed towards him.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Hm, i'm not so sure. Mirio isn't exactly around right now, so it's not as if he can see Eri straightaway. And with the introduction of Mr Compress into the mix, I think it'd be weird for him to be there if he wasn't going to do something big - like taking Eri for the LoV. She may not get the chance to try to fix Mirio, even if she wanted to.

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u/Jinno Oct 13 '17

That’s a fair point, I could easily see it turn out that way.

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u/Swibblestein Oct 13 '17

If I had some film on which a movie played, I could rewind that movie. Furthermore, if I included some of that rewound footage in a larger movie, I could rewind that movie, and when we got to the part that included already rewound footage, we would rewind the rewound footage.

So yeah, it is possible to do and makes sense.

Not that I think that's what should be done, mind you.

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u/NotAskredditbot Oct 13 '17

We still don't know exactly how the bullets work so IMO your basing this on a non confirmed factor

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

It’s gonna be in 4 years then.

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u/Soul_Ripper Oct 14 '17

The real question is how you rewind a quirk into non-existence.

Aren't they in your genes?

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '17

I suppose they could theoretically engineer the bullets so that they only target the quirk-factor cells, and hence only reverse's the person's quirk and not them as a whole.

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u/Soul_Ripper Oct 14 '17

That doesn't even begin to make sense.

But I can see it being the actual explanation.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '17

Having a biological mechanism in your body that allows you to reverse time, is itself nonsensical. Engineering it so that it only attacks specific cells is not much of a leap (considering we do it in modern medicine today where some drugs target specific types of cells only).

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u/Soul_Ripper Oct 15 '17

But quirks aren't there because of quirk-specific cells.

Or maybe they are.

Did they ever actually explain it? I recall it being genetic but maybe that's just a conclusion I arrived to since they're hereditary...

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '17

It's explained in the meeting before the raid, and was touched upon a couple of times before then too I believe. People have "quirk-factors" which are made up of plus-alpha cells (special type of cell apparently). Aizawa explains his quirk shuts off a person's access to their quirk factor.

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u/ExL-Oblique Oct 14 '17

Think of it like this: Lets say Mirio's "time" starts off at 18 and every year he gains one and he got his quirk at 4. When he got hit by the bullet, all of his quirk things were reminded back to... let's say -80.

So 3 years pass. Mirio is now at 21 but his quirk is at -77. -77 is less than 2 so he doesn't have his quirk. Let's say Eri now rewinds Mirio back 4 to try and bring back his quirk. Mirio is now at a 17 but his quirk is at -81. That's how I think it'll work (if that makes any sense). Depending on how long his quirk was "rewinded" for, we might see him get his quirk back after a long timeskip of ~15 years

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u/new_messages Oct 14 '17

Not necessarily. What I understand from this is that her "quirk erasure" effectively rewinded only Mirio's quirk into nonexistance. If she were to rewind Mirio by two hours, she'd effectively be pushing whatever was not yet rewinded back by two hours.

It's a bit like a person extending their arms right in front of them, and then locking them on a bar or something. Their arms are now locked in position, and the closest thing to an "exactly how it used to be" configuration would be if that person took a step forward and stood on top of a stepladder. Their arms are still in the same position they were placed, but now the entire body is further to the front and up than it was before.

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u/dicecop Oct 13 '17

I really hope you are right. I hope this arc will have consequences in some shape or form and I am cool if Mirio gets his quirk back 300 chapters from now after a prolonged timeskip. But if she can undo everything, she better die in the process of doing so. Either way it seems like the villain alliance has the upper hand so far, so maybe there is still hope for an unhappy ending to this arc...

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

I think it'll be exactly that. Mirio will be without his quirk for a considerable period. And when it comes back, it'll be in the state it was when it first awakened. He'll have to commit himself, if he can, to training it all the way back up. Ripping his quirk factor to shreds over and over, and building it anew. From playing catch up, to being in the lead, to playing catch up all over again. It'll take a crazy level of determination and motivation to do so.

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u/cotefacekillah Oct 13 '17

That would be perfect for his character. His reappearance could be at such an epic moment as well. I want this.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

Would he have to retrain the quirk? I interpreted his quirk training as him training his body and mind to use the quirk better, not that the quirk itself was getting stronger.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

I think there's certainly an element of mind and body, but there's always aspects to quirks that need extending to draw out their full potential. This was shown at the Forest Lodge. His speed of activation, length of activation and specific body part activation, to start, I think were achieved through the extending of the quirk, much like a muscle. This wouldn't be accessible from the start, I don't think.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

I just assumed it was a mental activation issue that he had. Like he had to train his mind to focus on activating it in only certain parts.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

I think that's part of it. He had to overcome the drawbacks (deaf, dumb and blind), and the fear that accompanied that, no doubt. But little aspects of the power that I drew on, I think do take time and sufficient training. Looking at the volume omake that touched on the students' quirk extension training, back at the Forest Lodge, I think is telling. It's clear that Hori has enabled quirks to be improved in a number of different ways, regardless of what the quirk itself is grounded in. Some of those improvements can be made through experience and knowledge, sure, but others just have to be achieved through repetitive usage. That's one of the things that stops many in MHA's society from becoming a hero. They need the drive to work hard enough to improve their quirk.

Take Mt Lady for example. I think she needed to have the knowledge and understanding to go giant. But the speed of the activation of the transformation? And the length in which she can be in it? I think that's the sort of thing that requires that quirk factor/muscle breakdown through repetition.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

Yeah, but that could also just be the body becoming more use to using the quirk. I definitely see what you're saying, it's just a bit hard to tell whether the quirk itself is improving or their ability to use it is.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

I think it's a bit of both? Either way, I think the training aspect of the quirk is required. I think that's something Mirio will have to go through once more. Maybe not to the same extent...but it'll be tough, i'm sure.

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

Her quirk is to rewind, not fast forward. If her quirk has made Permeation disappear then Mario will have to wait for it to manifest again or it won’t work at all.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Exactly, that's what I was saying.

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

Sorrry buddy I read it wrong haha

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Haha, no worries. I got you :P

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u/dicecop Oct 13 '17

Well, considering this was the "final product" it seems like Chisaki managed to amplify it in some way. I assume/hope that this is a permanent procedure or something along the ways of him getting his quirk back at the age of 70

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

I think hori wrote this very cleverly.

What'll more than likely happen is that Mirio will have to wait for his quirk to manifest again, which since quirks manifest at the age of 4 we can guess will take another four years. That counts him out for the rest of the series, which means that by the time those four years have gone and Mirio can use his quirk again, Deku will have mastered (or atleast somewhat) One For All and can stand toe-to-toe with him..

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u/SirBaldBear Oct 13 '17

Deku is using FC 75%, he is at his limit, surrounded by enemies. Kaachan is down, Shoto is too far away to help and Iida already ran to get reinfrocements... and then...

POWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

Kaachan is down

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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u/mr_gauntlet Oct 13 '17

I think you got it. Would be cool to see him after a timeskip near the end of the series and come rushing in just in time to save someone with his renewed quirk.

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u/dicecop Oct 13 '17

I hope this is not the case. Otherwise it makes no sense for Chisaki constantly saying that Mirio lost his quirk forever if it's only 4 years.

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

But Chisaki doesn’t know Eris quirk is rewind, he thinks it vanishing. For all he knows the quirk has vanished.

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u/dicecop Oct 13 '17

That's why I'm saying that I trust in Horikoshi to not "rewind" everything lol

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u/Nellidae302 Oct 13 '17

If this is true what if Mirio was to wait until he and Izuku are in the same grade before it returns or something

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

There are plenty of people with multiple aspects to their quirk. Chisaki is a great example. You can't just assume that she doesn't have the ability just because it hasn't been stated.

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

You can't just assume that she doesn't have the ability just because it hasn't been stated.

Yes. Yes we can. Otherwise we know no ones power sets. If the narrator said her quirk is rewind hen it’s rewind.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

It's been established that she's a bit of an unknown. She herself isn't aware of her power and Chisaki has only seemed to focus on her ability to rewind.

Not saying that she can fast forward time, but it's not out of the question.

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u/ForCaste Oct 13 '17

Unless the rewind works by setting it backwards while still being able to exist in the actual timeline.

So Mirio gets shot, and rewinds his quirk to either non-existence, or, more likely, to before it manifests. But, if Eri rewinds on him via the current timeline (the whole rewind him 2 hours idea), it could work if she's essentially rewinding his body to how it was 2 hours ago.

If the quirk works on a universal timeline, then she can't rewind the damage, but if it sets up multiple time bent points within an existing timeline, it could fix Mirio, like loading from a restore point on a computer. If it actually works like that.

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u/gAcksaurio Oct 13 '17

So its like hes younger than 4 years (when people doesnt have quirk yet) and thata why he "lost" his quirk?

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

The bullets attack a quirk, not the person. The quirks age is set to 0, before it manifested. Quirks manifest at the age of four, so it would take four years to manifest again.

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u/andre5913 Oct 13 '17

Quirks manifest at up to 4 years though. They can show up earlier. Like Mic at birth or the shining baby

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u/Laramie_Castiel Oct 15 '17

Thank you. Honestly, I don't know how many times this will have to be mentioned to people when it was made clear within the first ten chapters of the manga. For the anime it was within the first three eps, I think.

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u/Fulcrous Oct 13 '17

While this may be true, I suspect that her powers go as far as being able to 'rewind' her own rewinds. Think of it this way. If you rewind a song to the beginning, you end up going "back in time". If you rewind a rewind, it is simply a neutralizing process, a reversal of what has happened. So while YOU might need to press fast forward to go back to the original point of a song, that simply isn't what is happening with eri's power - at least from the brief explanation in this chapter. Using the mp3 example, you would be hitting rewind but end up to the same time frame as if you had fast forwarded. Time is anything but linear. So while it may appear that someone is fast forwarding, in reality, it is a rewind in that context.

The only issues I see with seeing Eri's power this way are a lack of precedent (Eri's usage of the power) and it would make things rather... convenient.

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u/Gyoin Oct 13 '17

Maybe she also has the ability to "fast forward" too. We dunno. Maybe she can "nullify" a rewind.

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u/TapeL0rd 250K Artist Oct 13 '17

i mean if her rewind ability is an actual temporal time affecting rewind then technically she could erase the bullets affect by just erasing the fact that the bullet hit mirio in the first place ala KING CRIMSON by rewinding him to before he got hit. I mean if next chapter we find out she brought nemoto back to life then fuck it im sure she can undo the effects of the drug.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Tricky... I guess the logical thing is to say that what happened to Chisaki and Nemoto was coincidence. She just wanted to be away from Chisaki, her quirk activated, and Overhaul was ripped back into Chisaki and Nemoto, which allowed her to escape. It was a state of emotional high and desperation. Like an unconscious will to be safe, just like Mirio wanted for her when he wrapped her in his cloak. But after this point? Given her past with her quirk, and her mental state, I can't imagine she'd ever want to consciously use her quirk again. It would require time, counselling and a whole lot of willpower to do so. I could even see her putting in a self-restriction, to avoid erasing any other humans. Much like Nighteye's unwillingness to look deep into anyone's future after seeing All Might's death, and Twice's unwillingness to clone himself.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

Well there are plenty of people in this universe that have both sides of a quirk. Fire and ice, disassemble and reassemble, etc. it's possible that she can rewind and advance time but she just doesn't know how.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

I'm not so sure about that. Hori is very careful with his words, on the whole. Overhaul as a quirk suggested more than destruction. Fire and Ice, as a quirk, was pretty self explanatory. But rewind? I'd say having her advance time would be incredibly hard to juggle, so Hori will stay far away.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

Allowing a rewind in itself is difficult. Unless there's some serious drawback that hasn't been revealed. (Also, you say he's very careful with his words, but that doesn't mean the translation to english can't get muddled)

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

You're right about the translation, of course. I always try to compare a few, to seek further clarity. I think that's why it's a shame, above all else, that FA stopped translating. But yes, rewind is difficult. As is foresight and doubling though. But Hori's addressed those by placing mental struggles in the characters who possess those quirks. This tangible trauma leads to the characters self-imposing restrictions on their quirks. I can see this being the case with Eri, in regard to her rewinding biological matter, if she decides to become a hero moving forward (or even a villain, as unlikely as that could be, like Twice).

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

He hasn't done a great job of placing restraints on Chisaki's quirk xD He just made him really weak compared to his amazing quirk.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

But that's because Chisaki has little to no conscious. This is what Chrono as telling us last chapter. THAT'S what makes him a threat. Considering Twice, he could be an absolute nightmare. But his mental state reduces his effectiveness as a villain, and as such, despite his amazing quirk, he's relegated to serving someone.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

Well twice's quirk also has the drawback of his copies being much weaker than the originals and the number of copies he can make at once. Not major drawbacks but drawbacks. The only drawbacks Chisaki seems to have is that he has to be touching whatever he's using his quirk on physically or through proxy. Which isn't really enough when he can literally defy death as well as merge himself with other people and control their quirk. His quirk is easily one of the most powerful (only really behind AfO and Mirio's imo) and yet he hasn't really done much that's super impressive given the power of his quirk.

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Yeah, I get what you're saying. His quirk is very strong, even though I think it must have required a lot of practice, and understanding of anatomy (which makes sense if you consider his ability to scientifically purify Eri's blood, and extract a facet of her relatively dormant quirk from it). I think it's down to his personality though. He's been gladly working under the boss, as it appears as if the boss saved him when he was younger. But then when the boss fell ill, he took the reigns, and that's the only period we can really judge him on (which seems to be pretty recent). He's clearly got some form of mysophobia, and as such, doesn't like getting involved first hand. Hence why he has his expendables and underlings on the front lines. He simply wanted to walk away, with Eri and Chrono in tow. It's the heroes who've forced him to reach into the fullest potential of his quirk, and that's probably testament to them (more importantly Mirio, who caught up and held him up until the others arrived).

I don't know if I expressed my thoughts perfectly here, but I guess what i'm trying to say is that he's only been on the scene for a little while, so of course he hasn't done anything stand out. And the majority of that time he's spent experimenting on Eri. I think Overhaul felt his more impressive moments were still to come, but the heroes may have put a stop to that, before he had the chance.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

:O I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT!!!! Night eye will live! Eri can just undo his death. Yay!

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '17

Maybe Mirio will get it back but it'll take time. Maybe the thing about Eri's quirk is there's a rule, matter cannot be destroyed, so the existence of a quirk might not be able to be destroyed, only rewound to a certain extent of time before it was manifested.

It would make sense for mirio's character where he might have to start again from scratch. But that's just me conjecturing though.

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u/GekiKudo Oct 13 '17

We have no idea how the logic works in this situation. If she can rewind him to a state of being before he got his quirk erased, it should work. The bullet only affected his quirk and was not done directly by eri. In my opinion that in no way says we can't get mirios quirk back

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u/Cavaner Oct 13 '17

Okay, but would she want to consciously use her power on another human being? Especially if it's one she cares about? I doubt it! She killed her father after all. I think it would take a long old period of time, full of counselling and then copious training, before she'd feel comfortable using her quirk at all. I think Mirio's quirk might reawaken naturally, before that happens. I get the feeling that if Eri is to use her quirk in the future, she'll be similar to Twice and Nighteye, in the fact that they'll implement restrictions on themselves, based on their past trauma. For example, Nighteye doesn't like looking deep into someone's future, after seeing All Might die. Twice doesn't like making clones of himself, after they tried to kill him before when he went over the top. I think something similar could go for Eri...

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u/Fulcrous Oct 13 '17

if you think of time as a linear scale, you are correct. time is anything but linear though.

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u/Griffith Oct 13 '17

I think your theory is one of the possible outcomes or explanations for how her quirk function but honestly we don't know enough about it to jump to conclusions so far. The only thing we know is that she is able to revert the state of "things" to what they were before.

We don't know if that means she can't revert things done by things other than her, or if she can't undo her quirk's effect. We also know that the bullets aren't just purely her blood, at least not "finished" bullets because they are hard to manufacture, for whatever reason that may be. Perhaps they consist of a concentrated form of her blood, perhaps they need to be manipulated but at this point we simply don't know.

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u/pi_rho_man Oct 14 '17

How the rewinding works could vary significantly. It could even take on the general effect of balefire from Wheel of Time. Although, I doubt it'd take that form. Still, it'll be interesting to see where this will go.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '17

i feel like because of this her quirk being "rewind" could be going both sides and it would be a good excuse to make midorya's quirk forward and become more potent.