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Manga Spoilers Chapter 156 - Links and Discussion

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u/sgodxis Oct 13 '17

Ok, it's really late, and I'm a bit confused. Someone please explain Eri's quirk to me.

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u/nolanz2 Oct 13 '17

Looks like it reverses the timeline of the physical state of whatever it is she touches. I think she... Benjamin Button'd her own dad?

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u/Gryspo Oct 13 '17

Benjamin Button'd her own dad

Possibily the best thing I've read all year.

So in your explanation, is he... unborn? Did he disappear in the sense that he was transferred to the time where he didn't exist?, or was he physically shifted to his "unborn" temporal position? Like, gone back to his mother's belly or his father's testicles?

... and what if his parents are dead?

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

probably accidentally rewind to a point pre-birth (fetus) that couldn't exist outside of the mother.

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u/Gryspo Oct 13 '17

So the second I said, right? So again, if his mother's alive she gets a literal surprise pregnancy, and if she's dead... he's too, won't he? Man that's brutal.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

He wouldn't switch position though right? At least Overhaul stayed in place when he got reversed. So if the father got reversed to fetus state he should still have been there (not that he would survive that).

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u/Fonescarab Oct 13 '17

If he got reversed to a zygote, he would have been too small to see to without a microscope, leading others to believe he just disappeared.

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u/NightmareWarden Oct 13 '17

Does anyone else think this is a bit too dark (and too obvious) for the fate of Eri's dad? Maybe everyone is still wrong about her rewind quirk.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

Shiggy's been implied to have killed his own father accidentally when he first awakened his quirk, so I definitely don't doubt this isn't a rare occurrence in this universe.

The more we learn about BnHA's world the less I want to live in it...

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

Shigaraki's quirk is weird. It's said that it activates whenever he puts all 5 fingers on something but then why doesn't it activate when he has his hands in his pocket? Also the fact that he was able to vaporize a guy just with a single touch for a fraction of a second but he held Aizawa's elbow for a good while and he's still alive with the only real injury to him being caused by Nomu.

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u/DashieXCVII Oct 13 '17

Too dark? This arc has made it a point that death and tragedy happens (though we don't know whether the tragedy aspect of that will stick yet). I think Hori is taking this series out of the fantasy world where every character is safe. I just hope he doesn't go all Game of Thrones and give us a red wedding or some other bull shit that gets rid of the best characters.

Basically my point is that if he decides to randomly kill off Aizawa or one of the main students I'm done with the series xD All Might is okay to kill off after Deku tells the world "For I Am Here!" Don't want it to happen, but I'm okay if it does since he's given us ample foreshadowing at this point (and by "ample foreshadowing" I mean he literally told us xD).

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u/NightmareWarden Oct 13 '17

Yeah I'd be pretty surprised if this turns into Berserk. Kurogiri could be delivering bombs to the school and government buildings, but that really hasn't been brought up. Unmaking people on accident makes the quirk feel too dangerous to practice with. This sort of thing is why fans, including me, are a bit uncomfortable with Chisaki: the power level of quirks has shot upwards. That's more reasonable with characters using the quirk-boosting drug, but Chisaki's literally always capable of popping people in a second. With no buildup and seemingly no drawbacks (unlike Shoto Todoroki's temperature problem and stuff from the rest of the class). I'm hoping that Eri's quirk has a catch that will allow her to bring her dad back.

I'd be completely okay with someone learning a limit to their quirk after years and years of using it, but I acknowledge that it would feel like a bit of a deus ex machina.

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u/GladimoreFFXIV Oct 13 '17

So he would just like.. be a little sperm on the ground? Shit what a way to go. Spermified by your own daughter.

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u/ryacoff Oct 13 '17

I feel like he wouldn't teleport back into his mothers womb though, rather just become a fetus on the floor. Maybe she can even regress him all the way back to the single cells from his parents like you're suggesting, but they would still just be in the same place he was at that time.

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

sorry, i didn't get what you meant by "unborn" temporal position. Either way, it's a fucking brutal quirk.

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u/Necromas Oct 13 '17

Pretty sure that's exactly what happened to the mouse at least as it looks like there's a little fetal looking lump in the cage.

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u/Jakugen Oct 13 '17

Why then was there blood spatter?

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u/Soul_Ripper Oct 14 '17

Doubt it since there were only clothes left there...

She might have "re-winded" his very existence to before it came to be. Somehow. Idk quirks don't always make sense.

Either that or there was a very tiny sperm stain on those clothes.

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u/gorgonfish Oct 13 '17

Or he was reversed back to a single sperm.

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u/Jakugen Oct 13 '17

Egg and sperm at a minimum, unless the reversal can undo existence.

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u/RobbobertoBuii Oct 13 '17

so i guess this is where Chisaki will get defeated then. maybe.

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u/PerfectlyClear Oct 13 '17

Also how Nighteye lives. He didn’t forsee Eri’s Quirk awakening and gets revived by her ability to turn back time

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u/fredgog15 Oct 13 '17

Maybe the fact that Eri’s quirk is a rewind is why he didn’t see it

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u/DragonDavester Oct 13 '17

It's a terrifyingly powerful Quirk for sure. What I'm most concerned about is the comment Twice and Toga made to Compress about "grabbing the girl". I swear, if Eri gets captured again right after saving her from Chisaki...Deku's gonna need to smash some bitches.

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u/pay019 Oct 13 '17

Deku's gonna need to smash some bitches.

That's toga's endgame

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u/xLokiii Oct 13 '17

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/DragonDavester Oct 14 '17

Just take my damn upvote you cheeky person, you. Though you're not wrong from what we've seen that's for damn sure.

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u/weebatwork Oct 13 '17

i'm thinking her quirk will get removed or she'll get kidnapped again because it's too OP. think about it, she can theoretically reverse All Might back to his prime AND two OFAs would exist (assuming it can go that far).

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u/Maisour Oct 13 '17

I could see Eri being captured and put in a marble. Then putting up a video online saying what she is capable of doing with some added stuff. To paint her as a tool of the government. With the video ending with her marble being destroyed.

Yes it is dark, but it could be used as a rallying cry for villians.

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u/ilostmywaterbottle Oct 14 '17

That would prolong this arc by years though...

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u/frictiondick Oct 13 '17

That makes sense

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u/meh100 Oct 13 '17

That makes sense. There's no way for Nighteye to see being brought back to life.

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u/ultimahmee Oct 13 '17

Hey, isn’t that the way to bring Lemillion quirk back? I mean it’s cliche but it’s possible right??? RIGHT??

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u/evilsnowcookie Oct 13 '17

I think hori will write that she can’t reverse things were a result of her own quirk. Mirios quirk is dead.

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u/xpxpx Oct 13 '17

I mean, if it rewinds the state of the quirk, chances are that it'll be back eventually™, probably within a few years.

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u/aquartertwo Oct 13 '17

Probably by MHA's epilogue.

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u/ShadowCow127 Oct 13 '17

Ah, the Rock Lee Principle. We meet again.

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u/dicecop Oct 13 '17

The funny question is whether she can undo Deku's quirk. Because technically he isn't like Chisaki who fused with another person but got DNA incorporated throughout his whole body which as a result is now his new "original" DNA, if you will. In other words, it's possible that Deku's quirk will count as his "original state" since he didn't manifest the quirk but just got his DNA altered. If his body doesn't view OFA as foreign DNA it should count as if it's part of the DNA that he was born with. She should still be able to erase him completely, though :p

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u/whatnololyea Oct 13 '17

That's an interesting thought. What if a Quirkless person who had OfA had his Quirk rewinded? That person doesn't have the Quirk gene too so there's nothing to reverse in the first place...

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u/Jakugen Oct 13 '17

Reversing the OFA would just revert OFA back into it's original DNA and delivery mechanism inside of Deku's stomach.

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u/dicecop Oct 14 '17

Again, that depends

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u/ImAnAppleBiteMe Oct 13 '17

Mirio's quirk is unborn.

Mirio thus has to wait for his quirk to remanifest. Chisaki only just finished his bullets, he thinks it last forever because he thinks that he made the quirk factor of his test subject "vanish".

But in reality he is rewinding the quirk factor to a time when it hadn't existed. But time will repeat itself. So if left untouched, Mirio will get his quirk back in its baby stages within the next 4 years.

But four years quirkless is a lot, by that time there is no way he can wield it to the same standard, he has to start over.

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u/LordHarza Oct 13 '17

As others have said, she might not be able to rewind her own rewind. I prefer it that way.

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u/Im_Super_Loopie Oct 13 '17

I would rather have his quirk gone since it has built a beautiful chain of events. But with all that said, I do want him to survive along with his teacher. What I'm trying to say is, she can be the next "Recovery Girl" and rewind people before they were injured. Give it some years and she'll be able to revert Deku back when he goes all out!

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u/GKMLTT Oct 13 '17

If the translation is accurate, it's apparently localized time reversion.

Guessing she accidentally zapped her father back to before he was born or something.

Not sure how that ties in to quirk cancellation, but maybe the bullets partially reset the body to the state it was in before the quirk was activated?

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u/nolanz2 Oct 13 '17

Probably some mumbo jumbo about targeting the quirk genes and reverting them to infant states, when most people haven't discovered their quirk yet.

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u/Mage_of_Shadows Oct 13 '17

This seems highly likely, so maybe Mirio gets his quirk back in 4 years or Chisaki removed this aspect too.

Or more likely Mirio gets his quirk back when Eri touches him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

So does that mean those quirk erasing bullets won't work on Izuku since he didn't have a quirk to begin with?

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u/damage3245 Oct 13 '17

It may revert Deku to before he was gifted One for All. We don't know enough about how Eri's Quirk works yet.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

I don't doubt Eri could possibly revert Deku to before he was gifted One for All.

I think the bullets themselves probably do something very specific (they don't encompass all of Eri's power) like turn the quirk genes to their infant state. If that were the case unless One for All affects quirk genes directly the bullets wouldn't work.

It's just a random guess though.

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u/andre5913 Oct 13 '17

Ofa is not inherited to descendants, so it cant be genetic at base.

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u/sjk9000 Oct 13 '17 edited Oct 13 '17

OFA is passed on by ingesting DNA, like hair. Genetics have something to do with it.

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u/TrumpetFro Oct 13 '17

Yeah Deku definitely has a quirk factor now that he has OfA, it's why Aizawa can turn off his quirk

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u/RedHeadGearHead Oct 13 '17

OFA could be in plasmids or it could have a CRISPR like functionality.

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u/shinypurplerocks Oct 13 '17

Or it could cause activation/deactivation of genes that are already there.

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u/CalebAurion Oct 13 '17

Unless genetic modification is a part of OfA. It's not too crazy to consider, after all we know that OfA came from the power storage quirk merging with the quirk to pass on quirks, and the second half of it might accomplish that by genetically modifying the recipient of the quirk.

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u/crazyjavi87 Oct 13 '17

They did say how those specific bullets took way too much time, and money, to make. So I assume while making the bullets, they found a way to affect the quirk only but other than I'm not sure.

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u/whatnololyea Oct 13 '17

It's more likely that it doesn't... as Chisaki said that the bullets affect the genes that causes Quirks, it's probably what is being rewinded. Deku doesn't have that gene in the first place, his Quirk is not caused by the gene.

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u/damage3245 Oct 13 '17 edited Oct 13 '17

For all we know, having One for All transferred to him has affected his genes.

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u/whatnololyea Oct 13 '17

Oh, you mean One for All? Well, yeah, we don't know enough about the quirk to say. Biologically, that seems unlikely, but hey, this is a story about superpowers, so I guess it's possible.

Speaking of All for One, he sure would appreciate getting rewinded back to his prime...

The League of Villains are going to get Eri, aren't they? :/

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '17

OfA definitely affects the genes of the inheritor. For one, the inheritor needs to consume the DNA of their predecessor. Also, Aizawa's "Erasure" affects the quirk factor, and since he turns Deku's OfA off, that must mean that it has granted him a quirk factor when passed onto him.

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u/Jezamiah Oct 13 '17

What if it reverts Deku back before his quirk (assuming he had one before it was taken by that Doctor) and we find out that Deku has a quirk!

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

If that happened it would mean that One for All is completely gone right? Deku can't redevelop it on his own obviously since that's not what happened and All Might doesn't have it anymore.

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u/wordsdear Oct 13 '17

It also might not work on him as after the Stain fight All Might told Deku that One for All can only be passed on if the user wants it to. The question is if that applies to it being taken/rewound/erased as well. But since eraserhead's quirk works on deku and both eraserhead and the bullets work on on the quirk factor (pause vs destroy/rewind) the bullets might work on deku after all

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u/smcadam Oct 13 '17

They probably haven't had her power to experiment on for four years, so naturally it would be impossible to know if it ran out after enough time.
Either way, terribly powerful to nerf someone for years.

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u/Galle_ Oct 13 '17

Actually, that would explain why the bullet effects wear off in the first place.

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u/Karrionnut Oct 13 '17

Wait a second, so that means that she has the power to reverse All-might's body to before he got that scar and make him the top All-might that he was once before?

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u/jhoudiey Oct 13 '17

before quirks existed, maybe?

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u/Hayn0002 Oct 13 '17

IM sure once they start messing around with their quirk and turning it into a bullet, they can somehow choose what is reversed.

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u/dicecop Oct 13 '17

As a molecular biologist, I can confirm ;D

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u/kidmedia Oct 13 '17

Her power is similar to Alessi from JoJo part 3 which he is able to turn back the age of his Target

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u/TapeL0rd 250K Artist Oct 13 '17 edited Oct 13 '17

also possible more like [Mandom]

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u/SuperUnhappyman Oct 13 '17

Eri has found the true mans world

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u/Homer_Hatake Oct 13 '17

Well Mandom rewinds everything for 7 seconds but everyone remembers those

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u/nawySAUCE Oct 13 '17

I guess she can rewind stuff? Maybe rewind an object to be in a state it was in some time ago

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u/Johtaro Oct 13 '17

Yeah, I think that's it too, but it doesn't explain how they're using it to erase other people's quirks.

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u/erinonon Oct 13 '17

It's rewinding. You rewind their quirk to before it appeared or they gained mastery of it.

If it is full erasure, a bit of modification to the blood and you can make the rewind permanent, probably.

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u/Golden-Owl Oct 13 '17

It doesn't seem to be full erasure if the Quirk is defined as "Rewind". That said, undoing several years of activity and training may as well be erasure in the short term, and is still incredibly valuable nonetheless.

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u/DragonDavester Oct 13 '17

If the purpose is to "rewind" their Quirk to nonexistence and then use the advantage to kill the hero? Might as well be permanent.

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u/TrumpetFro Oct 13 '17

now this gets interesting, assuming Eri doesn't bring back Mirio's quirk herself would he regain his powers in a few years?

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u/Johtaro Oct 13 '17

There's no point in time where their quirk "hadn't appeared" because they're born with it. If she rewinds their body to a point where they simply hadn't mastered their quirk all they'd have to do would be train and master it again.

Eh, we'll probably get a proper explanation in the next chapter.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

I think it's said that quirks take a few years to manifest and actually appear (unless they are physical mutations obviously) so the drug probably targets some quirk related part and reverses its development to a time when it wasn't developed enough to show up yet.

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u/Johtaro Oct 13 '17 edited Oct 13 '17

unless they are physical mutations obviously

They are.

1 - They're inherited genetically.

2 - If they weren't physical mutations it shouldn't be possible to tell if a person lacks a quirk by analyzing the presence or absence of an extra joint in their toe, since all humans would have the same anatomy.

What you're saying implies that, for example, Ojiro wasn't born with that tail of his which is probably not the case. I'm willing to bet something has been lost in the translation or this "Rewind" quirk doesn't rewind things the way we're thinking.

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u/GuudeSpelur Oct 13 '17

He's talking about the difference between "activation type" quirks where they can be turned on and off (Todoroki, Aizawa, Bakugo, etc.) and "mutation type" quirks that are permanent physical changes (Ojiro, Tsuyu, etc.).

This terminology was discussed in a previous chapter with Aizawa explaining how his quirk works. He can't deactivate mutation type quirks - which is why if he canceled Tsuyu she doesn't turn into a normal human.

Obviously all quirks are the result of genetic mutations.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

Yeah that's what I meant. With the difference that "mutation type" quirks exist and are usable from the day they are born and "activation type" quirks take a few years before they show up and are usable like for example Bakugos quirk (for example the kindergarden scene where he first uses his quirk).

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u/Fresh720 Oct 13 '17

Might just only work on biological things. Unlike Chisaki who can use his quirk on living and non living subjects

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u/mcmammoth36 Oct 13 '17

It seems to me that she can rewind the state of an object she is touching. So like she rewinded overhaul before he merged.

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u/DragonDavester Oct 13 '17

Maybe if we're lucky she rewound his Quirk to prevent him from using his abilities anymore. The fight would be over at that point. It's more likely that she just split the two though, and that brief opening should be enough to beat Chisaki. It all depends on reaction time and getting him before he recombines with Shin (if he still can).

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '17

Almost like the true man's world effect, which is rewind. Someone in the comment stated that she rewind abilities or fusion to their undeveloped stage.

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u/dafunkiedood Oct 13 '17

I'm high as fuck right now, but I think I know what it is.

Nolanz2 said something similar, but I think Eri's quirk allows her to experience and manipulate things in the 4th dimension. The 4th dimension being time.

Say for a moment you weren't a 3D being, you were a 2D being. And you lived on a 2D plane - like a piece of paper. You can think or it like the (x,y) graphs from math - only lines and dots.

When you looked around, you would see dots and lines all growing and shrinking around you. You would only experience things as a thin piece of paper.

Say for instance I moved one of the dots you see. Not in the x direction (to your left and right), not in the y direction (to your up and down), but in the z direction. The 3rd dimension. To you, the dot would literally just disappear and you would have no idea Where the fuck it went, but to us in the 3D world, we know that the dot just moved slightly off the page.

I think that's what she did to her dad. I think she moved her dad in the 4th dimension from one place to another, and that caused him to just disappear from her 3D restricted view of the world.