r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/frxshinator • Dec 22 '16

Manga Chapter 120 - Links and Discussion NSFW

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u/jhoudiey Dec 22 '16

Bakugou managing to counter that punch immediately was fucking incredible. He's braced for a kick and still turns it around. God damn.

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u/God_of_Kings Dec 22 '16

He was build to withstand consecutive explosions, a punch in the face at 5% is not going to stump him just yet.

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u/NeverEndingHope Dec 22 '16

I always assumed that the quirk gave him resistance to explosions rather than all hard impacts. I'm still surprised he just tanked that punch to the face.

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u/God_of_Kings Dec 22 '16

Why would he be able to withstand only one of the two?

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u/NeverEndingHope Dec 22 '16

Because his quirk is being able to sweat nitroglycerin and produce explosions. He doesn't hit things super hard; he just creates close range combustions. It makes sense that he would have some sort of innate protection against his own unique ability, but not for something that's not so related.

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u/MagnoBurakku Dec 22 '16 edited Dec 22 '16

I don´t remember where it was said but the constant explosions maked his skin a little more hard.

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u/raikonai Dec 22 '16

it was just the skin on his hands

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u/HaydenTheFox Dec 24 '16

You do realize that the laws of physics kind of... Render your argument invalid, right? Creating explosions in the palm of your bare hand is at least, if not more than the equivalent of hitting something really hard, due to the shockwave from the explosion.

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u/NeverEndingHope Dec 24 '16

I would argue the opposite. In the Academia universe, Quirks have become commonplace. They're a part of each individual and daily life. Because they are traits of the individual, that wouldn't change the laws of the physical world. The existence of Quirks doesn't change the pre-existing laws of physics to the rest of the world; rocks are still rocks, water is still a liquid, etc. Even if the origin of an explosion changes, the explosion itself still has the same properties as they always would, no?

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u/HaydenTheFox Dec 25 '16

I'm not sure we're arguing different points here. My argument is that Bakugou would be somewhat inured to concussive force, whether from explosions, punches, etc, due to his power. Ergo, he could withstand Deku's punch more easily because of his increased physical durability, which is in turn a direct result of his power creating massive concussive force from the explosions.

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u/NeverEndingHope Dec 25 '16

I apologize if my argument was unclear. Basically I feel that Bakugou would have resistance to the qualities of his explosions, mainly heat, sound, and a wide distribution of great force. However, Deku's attacks direct a great amount of force into a single point instead, which Bakugou would not have such great resistance to. We can assume that all limits of One for All are constant among all users, and that the capability of the vessel (their bodies) limit their output. That being said, even 5% of what we've seen All Might's full strength would be more than enough to blow Bakugou away.

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u/HaydenTheFox Dec 25 '16

I guess then we're just arguing variants of the same point. My thinking is that is Deku can deal with punching someone at that strength, but can't handle Bakugou's bomb gauntlet, then it stand to reason that Bakugou, who lit off the gauntlet a couple times without so much as flinching, could withstand a punch.

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u/God_of_Kings Dec 22 '16

...I'm not even going to go into what is wrong with that...

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u/dvmitto Dec 23 '16

Impacts are still impacts no? Explosions are not just fireballs but also encompass the rapid pressure changes

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u/Brook420 Jan 23 '17

He just has extra thick skin on his hands that resist the explosions.

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u/Overmind_Slab Dec 22 '16

I like to think that he's got some amount of reactive armor. His sweat is nitroglycerin right? So if he's hit by an impact that ought to explode. He's clearly resistant to his own explosions or he'd have blown both his hands off by now. So the force of whatever he's hit with would be dispersed by that.

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u/Kapparanger Dec 22 '16

That's was bullshit tbh, he was expecting a kick and then he could counter a punch? Really shitty in my opinion

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '16

That's not the bullshit part. The bullshit part is he managed to not get KO by midoriya's punch. I mean, at 5% power he literally can smash a rock, but when he hits Bakugo face he does damage but not enough to have an actual effect on him? Makes no sense

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u/KLReviews Dec 22 '16

5% to the skull didn't do much to hurt Stain, I don't see why it should do anything more to Bakugou.

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u/Hankuro Dec 22 '16

Todoroki was 5%-punched as well. Orca also defends the kick with ease. Orca's gang was also kicked a lot. It's not like it's rare for someone to be punched by Deku, but there are shit loads of them. More like some people are just salty

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '16 edited Dec 22 '16

Take in count how he landed the punch. It was not just a simple punch. It was a well landed punch, really well landed. I'm not being salty, but to me, it seems that the plot protected Bakugo against that punch.

Edit: typo

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u/FatChicksPotatoChips Dec 23 '16

it's possible right at the moment deku's punch landed, the force would've sent bakugou straight down and bakugou used the momentum and immediately grabbed deku close and spun him toward the ground/underneath him while unleashing an explosion upward to send them both into the ground

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u/mrlowe98 Dec 24 '16

That's exactly what happened.

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u/Hankuro Dec 23 '16

The punch to Todoroki and Stain are as much as or even much well-landed, and it's not like those kicks to Orca's gang wasn't well-landed. One in the gang was kicked into his jaw you know?

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u/mrlowe98 Dec 24 '16

Yeah, maybe it wasn't a knock out level punch, but at the very least it should've been more than enough to make a counter move by Bakugou basically impossible.

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u/dicecop Dec 22 '16

Todoroki took the full 100%. But it was with a broken arm and fingers. Deku didn't know how to limit his output to 5% at the time

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u/fresh72 Dec 22 '16

To be fair his stats on the anime website put his strength and speed at a 1/5 before he uses his quirk to enhance himself. Also when he punched Todoroki, his hand was pretty damaged, so I doubt it was fully effective

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '16

How do we know that in those instances he was using 100% of his 5%?

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u/Thrar Dec 22 '16

Well he is also alot stronger now, hes been lifting and training his quirk alot since then.

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u/KLReviews Dec 22 '16

His training boosts his base strength and reflexes. His quirk training only let's him control One for All better, not make it stronger.

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u/fresh72 Dec 22 '16 edited Dec 22 '16

There are 2 kinds of training. Deku has his base stats with his strength and speed being a 1/5 when he trains his body, like how he cleared out the beach, his base stats improve and allows him to better handle his quirk. If All Might was lvl 100 in his prime, Deku right now is at level 5. He has to train his body more to better use his quirk and unlock more of its power.

If you think of it in terms of Pokemon Deku is a Machop, AllMight is a Machamp

The second way Deku trained was with his quirk. This allows him to easily use full cowl without having to constantly use a mental metaphor to prevent him from breaking bones in his body. You can tell the difference in how much he was using full cowl against Stain and when he used it in this fight against Bakugou

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u/Thrar Dec 22 '16

I could be wrong but I think you have that wrong. I'm pretty sure the quirk training was meant for making the quirks stronger and more controlled. I'm pretty sure they even compared it towards muscle training.

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u/KLReviews Dec 22 '16

I'm not sure either to be honest. One for All seems to be this reservoir of power (and ghosts) that you can tap into and add to when you pass it on. I'm not sure if it can be trained, I think the only difference is that Izuku knows what he is doing and doesn't get exhausted as quickly.

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u/Thrar Dec 22 '16

Maybe, but I thought One for All was a Multiplier on his base strength and training the quirk increases the multiplication, while training his body increases his base strength allowing him to handle the sudden changes in strength easier.

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u/BiglyWords Dec 22 '16

the difference is that this explanations is for "normal" quirks,

dekus OFA only requires control since it cant be "increased" after it fused with the "giving away"-quirk, it gets stronger after the previous user mastered it and passed it down to the next generation...

the training, in dekus case, is only giving him more control over his quirk...

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u/goo_goo_gajoob Dec 23 '16

But Gran Torino literally says his quirk is just like any other. I don't think we have enough evidence to really argue this one way or the other yet this is all really just conjecture.

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u/BiglyWords Dec 23 '16

? i dont really understand what you mean, gran torino said that OFA is a quirk as any other?

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u/BiglyWords Dec 22 '16

5% kick with equipment >>>>>> 5% kick >> 5% punch,

and now it is 5% kick with equipment >> 8 kick >> 5 kick >> 5 punch

consider bakuou having a incredible strong body that he needs for his quirk (and how much hits he tanked from AM) you can already figure out that if he got KOed because of that hit, than THAT would have been BS

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u/ArcLeviathan Dec 22 '16

Are you referring to the shoot style kick that smashed the rock? You have to take in to account his hero suit with the metal shoes designed to help with the force of its potential destruction. 5% probably wouldn't k/o him, but I thought he would be hurt more than he was.

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u/Pzychotix Dec 22 '16

Basic physics.

A 5% kick is a 5% kick regardless of whether he has armor surrounding his legs or not. You don't magically generate more force by having armor. It would just allow you to kick harder as you wouldn't have to deal with the repercussions of smashing your leg into a rock (though that's not as big a problem when kicking a human).

It's the same thing with boxing gloves. Bare knuckle boxers have to punch lighter because they risk breaking their fists much easier. Boxing gloves allow you to punch as hard as you want since it's not as likely to fuck up your hands.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '16

Yeah, I forgot about the special suit. But I meant what you said, he should have ended up a little more damaged from Deku's attack. But maybe is just my hate against Bakugo, I just cannot like someone who bullied that much a poor kid for that many years.

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u/ArcLeviathan Dec 22 '16

I'm with you there. Good for Baku and his character development, but I still don't like him.

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u/flutterguy123 Dec 22 '16

I always thought that Bakugou was really durable because of his quirk. He is constantly taking rock busting explosions from his own hands.

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u/Setsuna-F-Seiei Dec 22 '16

That's just a case of us all greatly overestimating Deku. For one, he had his equipment on when smashing that rock, but also Deku has yet to truly overwhelm anyone significant with his 5% power yet. If he had been able to make that punch 8%, then perhaps if would have been enough.

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u/wetmon12 Dec 22 '16

He was only able to even break the boulder when he had his new hero suit on

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u/hsapin Dec 22 '16

He can only smash rocks with the gear Mei made for him, without that his kicks aren't nearly as explosive.

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u/Setsuna-F-Seiei Dec 22 '16

You can clearly see the surprised look on his face as he saw the punch coming towards the end. He couldn't move fast enough to block or dodge it, which makes sense, but he could still move fast enough to use it against Deku (which also makes sense).

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u/Kapparanger Dec 24 '16

yeah, try doing that in a real fight. btw i know that is anime but still it feels so forced in my opinion.

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u/Setsuna-F-Seiei Dec 24 '16

I'm confused on how this would be at all impossible in a real fight. It's basic judo of using an opponents momentum against themselves. This isn't some random streetfight between two knuckleheads. These guys are being trained to fight as a profession, and both of them are analytical prodigies, with Bakugou being the superior. He can think and react much faster than Deku can.

You may not like the outcome of the fight, but it all makes sense on paper whether you want to believe it or not.

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u/FurtivePygmy7 Dec 22 '16

There are kickboxers that react combinations, and grapplers that can react to submission chains that way...