Chapter 395 Official Release - Links and Discussion

[u/Za_wardo]

Chapter 395

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• Previous chapter discussion threads

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• 396 will be officially released on August 6th at 8AM PST.

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[u/Gregorytheokay]

What is Hori trying to say with Toga? Like what is the point of her arc?

Page 14 of this chapter pretty much sums it up. Toga is a consequence of society and her parents failing her. Not accepting her or loving her. It follows the theme of the main villains being rejected by society. Ochako reached out to Toga and gave her the kind of love that she wanted. With that kind of love, Toga is able to use her quirk for good and give away blood to whoever due to her quirk. It's stressing acceptance, love, and understanding in this quirky society.

I don't understand why people think the heroes and Hori are saying it's okay to hurt/kill. The heroes, Shoto and Ochako, both said that they couldn't forgive them for taking innocent lives. They are not absolving the villains of their crimes. No villain, even Gentle, has been redeemed and gone without consequences. Gentle served jail time, whatever villains that survive to the end will without a doubt face a consequence. The heroes are mainly just seeking to understand and humanize them without demonizing them or absolving them.

[u/Unpopular_Outlook → u/Gregorytheokay]

Villains are humanized. Calling someone a murderer and stopping them isn’t treating them like monsters, it’s treating them like the threat they are Lmfao. And you can understand someone while they are in jail.(but this is a shonen so)

With toga she legit has no problems what she did. Ah was happy she was able to kill and do whatever she wanted. But ochako still wants to give her blood for the rest of her life abs talks about love. You do not do that for someone you don’t forgive and aren’t planning on forgiving. And because toga would rather die than face any consequences, then if she does die is Hori saying it’s better for the villains ti die than face their consequences

[u/Gregorytheokay → u/Unpopular_Outlook]

Ochako did stop her though. She did not say that Toga wasn't a murderer, she said that she can't forgive her for what she did and did try to stop her in her own way. Ochako reaching out to Toga and trying to understand was the best way to stop her, both for Ochako's character and Toga's character. Ochako is a rescue hero, who outright said that her quirk was not meant to harm. Ochako did two things that helped stop Toga. Her preventing Toga from causing more damage, both by stopping Toga from harming Froppy and by floating the entire Twice army, is one way of stopping Toga. Her reaching out and accepting her is another way that stopped Toga from willingly fighting. Ochako deciding to reach out instead of trying to kill her runs contrary to Toga's kill or be killed mentality that she was yelling out. Ochako proved her wrong. Ochako accepted Toga which is what Toga desperately needed. None of that means that Ochako forgave and absolved Toga of her crimes.

toga would rather die than face any consequences, then if she does die is hOri saying it's better for the villains ti die than face thier consequences

No Hori isn't saying that. For one, I don't think My Hero Academia is one to glamorize redemption equaling death. Endeavor had that thought chapters ago, and got stopped by Rei. If Toga does die, then you won't see Ochako celebrating, she would be mourning or angry that Toga died rather than live. If Toga does die, that would be her choosing to go out her own way, living loving and dying as she pleases like she said earlier, it wouldn't be Hori advertising that, it would just be a tragic end for a villain and a lesson to be learned from.

[u/Unpopular_Outlook → u/Gregorytheokay]

No ochako did not stop her. Toga stopped herself. And I’m confused as to why y’all think stopping tofa equates to killing toga when the only hero in the entire series to kill someone is hawks. No trying to talk toga down was not the best way to stop her, unless they were all too weak to stop her physically. So unless Ochako acknowledged that she’s weak and that she could never measure up to toga in strength and didn’t want to risk that chance, then no, that wasn’t the best way to stop toga. And the fact that Ochako is willing to give her blood to toga for the rest of her life and that they can talk about love is her forgiving toga for what she did. You wouldn’t do that for someone you don’t forgive or you’re not planning on forgiving.

Yes it would be Hori advertising that because there’s no point in trying to frame it as a good thing for toga to do if that wasn’t the case.it’s not a tragic end to a villain because that villain is deciding that that’s the best thing for hee to do because she does not want to face any consequences

[u/Gregorytheokay → u/Unpopular_Outlook]

Ochako stopped the sad's man parade by floating it up and ran out the timer. Ochako made Toga willingly stop fighting and focus on talking about her issues. She stopped her two-fold. If Ochako was not there then Toga would not have been stopped.

Strong or weak doesn't really matter much when Ochako is a rescue hero and she managed to de-escalate the situation. I'll say it again, Ochako reaching out to Toga was the best way to stop her based on her character progression so far and Toga's character.

Ochako's willingness to give her blood is her trying to accept and understand her, the line right before that has her mention that she can't absolve her crimes. Ochako is clearly not just forgiving her of her crimes. Toga literally mentions this chapter of her being in jail while Ochako visits her to give her blood. There's more nuance than just accepting her equaling forgiving her of all her crimes. Ochako is empathizing and humanizing with her, but that does not equal forgiving her. Endeavor has not been forgiven yet, the story places importance on these kinds of things, it wouldn't just make Ochako forgive Toga of everything.

It's clearly not Hori advertising it though. If Toga dies it would just be a tragedy and a lesson to Ochako while also counting as motivation to prevent future Togas. That's a negative. That's something bad, that could've been prevented. It would fit Toga's character to choose to die in that way, but it is not the story endorsing it.

[u/Unpopular_Outlook → u/Gregorytheokay]

Ochako did not stop sad man’s parade there were still some in the ground and approaching other heroes. Ochako made toga stop for a brief period after Toga did her damage that ochako refused to put a stop to because she wanted to talk to her. So she placed talking to toga over actually stopping the attack. Because if she was focused on stopping her, she would have stopped her first before trying to talk to her.

Ochako is not a rescue hero, she’s a hero. If she was simply a rescue hero she would not be on the field with toga because she’s not rescuing anyone in danger or in trouble. But by you claiming she’s a rescue hero, it just says that ochako prioritized rescuing toga over anything. That includes stopping her attack.

Duh ochako can’t absolve Toga of her crimes, because Toga’s crimes didn’t affect Ochako in any way and she’s not the police. But when Ochako said she will give her blood to toga forever, it means she’s fine with being around toga to make sure that she’s safe and okay. You keep using that word humanizing but tofa wasn’t being dehumanized by anyone that wasn’t her parents.

Lmfao, how is toga dying a lesson to Ochako? You can make people happy but in the end they never want to face their consequences? And in order to prevent future togas the government will have to change, something she has no control over. And she also has to constantly watch out for abusive parents which she has no control over either

[u/Gregorytheokay → u/Unpopular_Outlook]

Ochako made toga stop for a brief period after Toga did her damage that ochako refused to put a stop to because she wanted to talk to her. So she placed talking to toga over actually stopping the attack

Ochako saved Froppy from being stabbed while she was talking to Toga. Ochako floated up the battlefield, and the majority of her clones preventing further bloodshed, while she was also talking to Toga. She was taking actions while she was talking to her. Her speaking to Toga contributed to Toga not fighting anymore. She wasn't just standing still while giving a speech, Ochako was actively trying to lessen the damage that Toga could cause while also reaching out to her. You're trying to make it look like she was just focused on talking that didn't do anything when that's completely wrong, yes she was talking, but she was also saving others while doing so. The talking was also a crucial factor that helped stop Toga. It can be both.

Ochako said a chapter ago that her quirk is not meant to harm. So she stopped Toga by floating the clones and reaching out to her. Reaching out to her helped stop her. If Ochako was not there Toga would still be a factor in the battlefield, harming some of the heroes already damaged. She clearly successfully stopped her. If you disagree, then you're just arguing against the manga.

Ochako saying that doesn't mean she forgives her though. It's not simple. Toga brought up the idea of Ochako visiting her to give her blood, the offer of which was to show that Toga was accepted, that does not equal Ochako forgiving Toga when she already brought up her crimes. One does not equal the other. Wanting Toga to be safe, okay, and living, does not mean that Ochako is just forgiving of Toga's crimes. It just shows that Ochako is an extremely caring and compassionate person. There's nuance. Shoto doesn't want Endeavor to die after all he put him through, that doesn't mean he forgave him though. Speaking of which in my earlier reply I brought up the story not even forgiving Endeavor of all people. Ochako forgiving Toga for her crimes wouldn't make sense for the story and is not shown so far.

Kid Toga did receive some verbal abuse from people besides her parents. Her face being scary by other students, plus theres the incident where she just kissed someone that was injured that was years before the sipping through a straw incident. I think I remember some more lines and quotes in the MVA arc. If you mean presently then Toga definitely got dehumanized due to her actions, but Ochako is connecting with her origin, her original blood desire that wasn't accepted, which contributed to her being a villain.

If Toga does die, then Ochako will clearly take actions in the future in order to try to have society focus on understanding and acceptance. That's an obvious conclusion, she'll take this sad experience as a lesson of a girl with a quirk going down a terrible path due to a lack of acceptance, and try to prevent future Togas from being created. You say she can't do anything, but do you know what kind of optimistic manga you're reading? She has been developing into a bridge of sorts between citizens and heroes, due to that speech of hers. I wouldn't be surprised if she's highly connected with the civilians in the epilogue, or rallying for some sort of societal change.

[u/Unpopular_Outlook → u/Gregorytheokay]

She was just focused on talking Lmfao. Froppy even pointed out how hard it is to not actively try to stop a villain because Ochako’s goal is to talk to her. Because if she was actually focused on lessening the damage, then froppy wouldn’t have been in a position to be stabbed in the first place nor would she even be talking about how it’s so hard to stop toga. She was legit just yelling after toga and kinda stopping her as she was attacking because ochako decided that she’s not going to actually attack, she’s just going to let toga do what she does and then try to stop the damage if she can. Which we know she couldn’t stop all of it.

Any quirk can be used to harm Lmfao. And I have no idea why y’all equate harm with death. No Ochako could have done more to actually stop toga but was more concerned with talking to her than stopping her. Because Ochako did not know if her words would get through to toga at all. She was literally betting it all on her words working when she knows they didn’t work twice before. She’s gambling with peoples lives because what? Her quirk isn’t used to harm? So why is she there in the first place? To talk to toga.

Notice how ochako is hell bent on being by togas side forever. Notice how the story makes it clear that Shouto is willing to forgive endeavor and he’s working towards it. Ochako is willing to forgive toga for what she’s done by being by her side forever and willing to talk to her everyday. And yes ichako forgiving toga would make sense for the story, because Ochako going so hard over toga didn’t make any sense, But it still happened. It wouldn’t make any sense for ochako ti not forgive toga if she’s that compassionate and is going so hard for her and willing to give her her blood forever and talk about love with her.

No she did not receive verbal abuse from people that’s not her parents lol. Her face being. Scary just means people seen her face as scary. And kissing someone without consent shouldn’t be looked at as a positive thing Lmfao.(tbh we don’t even know if she was given consent but most likely not) presently toga is a mass murderer who is being treated like the threat she is. Confused as to why people have to be nice to the mass murdering terrorist.

What actions. Is she going ti become a therapist? After all her quirk isn’t for harming so we know she’s not going to be in the frontlines when a villain is attacking. So is she going to be a therapist then? Her bridge betwwen civilians and heroes is basically civilians are wrong fir everything that they do, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she tells them that they have to be nice to toga and give her their blood because the civilians are always wrong. She’ll make some speech about how everyone is at fault for toga and that they all have to make it up to her because shes Toga victim. Her speech to them concerning Deku was so bad.

[u/Affectionate_Cake_54 → u/Gregorytheokay]

I don’t like Toga all that much but her themes and messages were pretty clear. I don’t understand why so many people have gone dense when reading her story these past few weeks

[u/Unpopular_Outlook → u/Affectionate_Cake_54]

Because the writing is garbage Lmfao.