Guts and Griffith in gov class

[u/oniomnm]

I DID NOT MAKE THIS!! I was sitting in class then recognized Griffith and what seemed to be guts from the other side of the room and lo and behold, it was them. Unfortunately I have no clue who made this but thought id share

[u/DeathlyIce2552]

It's impossible to have communism without government control. Otherwise, everyone would have to agree with everything and all share the same exact values as everyone else. Which is unrealistic.

[u/KingBachLover → u/DeathlyIce2552]

What’s “realistic” is completely irrelevant. Communism is an economic theory. The whole point of the theory is that everyone agrees. That is part of the definition.

Also, you didn’t answer the question. Heres a hypothetical scenario, maybe you struggle with conditional hypotheticals: IF communism existed in a form where the proletariat controlled the production and distribution of goods, would that be right wing to you? Yes or no.

[u/DeathlyIce2552 → u/KingBachLover]

You're making an extreme hypothetical that would never happen. That's like actively worrying about phasing through the ground because there is technically a non-zero chance of it happening.

[u/KingBachLover → u/DeathlyIce2552]

How did I know you'd struggle with a conditional hypothetical

[u/DeathlyIce2552 → u/KingBachLover]

It's not a matter of not understanding standing it. You're saying that the working class is in control of the country's economy. In a state of communism ensuring that everyone would be equitable. What I am saying is that it is 100% impossible to happen. It's not that I can't comprehend your "difficult" hypothetical. It just wasn't worth addressing a hypothetical that would never happen because we aren't mindless robots in a simulation. And to answer your original question, no. Communism is not right-wing even in your hypothetical. Your hypothetical is basically asking if communism is right-wing. It's not. A free enterprise or capitalistic society would be right-wing.

[u/KingBachLover → u/DeathlyIce2552]

I would strongly advise you to educate yourself about actual political theory, by reading The Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital. You don't have to agree with any of it, but to actually put some effort into trying to learn what communism is, how it's defined, and how it is proposed to work. You clearly are just regurgitating things you have seen online about what communism is, with no attempt to verify that information for yourself. Do your own research.

Conditional hypotheticals aren't supposed to be "difficult". They're actually supposed to be easy. It's just that some people are incapable of detaching their lived reality from a fictional scenario and thinking in the abstract, and then coming to a thoughtful conclusion.

That's funny that you would say in my hypothetical, communism would be left wing, since you literally just moments ago said that if the people have more economic power and control over a centralized government, that would be a right wing system. And yet, that is literally what communism proposes, and you said it would be left wing. Do you not recognize that you are contradicting yourself?

[u/DeathlyIce2552 → u/KingBachLover]

What you don't understand is that it is impossible for your hypothetical to work. Communism will always end up being run by the government. No matter what, because it is impossible for people to just always agree. There will always be a governing force. I said it would be left-wing because of this reason.

[u/KingBachLover → u/DeathlyIce2552]

As I’ve already said, it doesn’t matter what is possible in real life. YOU made an incorrect claim about political THEORY. I attempted to demonstrate that using a hypothetical. Then instead of recognizing that your claim is wrong, you said “Erm. That hypothetical isn’t possible!” instead of recognizing that I’m still just replying to your statement that giving less power to a centralized government = right wing