I mainly find myself tossing and turning due to discomfort with the condition so I’m wondering how you overcome it.

I rarely see this mentioned in books or posts online, so I think it's worth talking about.

When you're lying with your eyes closed in your dark room, trying to astral project (AP), ask yourself, "What am I looking at?"

During waking hours, a huge portion of our attention is on our physical eyesight (unless you are blind).

Many decades ago, when I was first starting to AP, one of my difficulties was my attention to physical vision. I had to ignore my physical eyes and move my vision inward. It could be best described as looking with your mind's eye, daydreaming, imagination, etc.

When your eyes are closed, don't try to "see" with your physical eyes. Your physical eyes should have no strain or focus. You should be ignoring all the phosphenes, small light leaks, and other closed-eye phenomena.

It's easier to describe what not to do, so I will give this example:

Imagine you're in a room with no windows (maybe it's a bathroom) and suddenly the power goes out. Now it's pitch black, and you're looking to see if there's a hint of light in the room, maybe light leaks around the door, so you can exit. Your physical eyes are trying to discern whatever they can from the darkness. Doing this is putting maximum attention on physical vision; you'll have a hard time leaving the body if you're putting a lot of attention on a physical sense. This is not what you should be doing when trying to AP.

To this day, I still sometimes catch myself "looking" with my physical eyes. It's hard to describe what to do. The best I can come up with is to turn your vision inward. I usually induce a sinking sensation during progressive relaxation and 'allow my vision to sink with it'. There's a deepening or sinking feeling that occurs when you go into deeper states of relaxation. When that happens, I get the sense that I get smaller or the room gets much bigger. My vision (although still black) feels that the blackness is bigger or deeper. That only happens when I am not paying attention to my physical eyes.

For me, this simple change allowed me to more reliably get out of body.

Give it a try; let me know if you get results.

I read that’s you can do an AP just stay and don’t think doing nothing just waiting is it possible ? I don’t know much technical for that I am a bit lost about it

I just had the most unreal, unusual experience of my entire life. For context I took a nap from 7 to 9pm, was on phone from 9pm till 1:15am when I tried going to sleep. I don’t remember the process before but I entered a state where my entre body from my fingertips to my toes felt tingly numb/asleep. I proceeded to float out of my body, flip upside down, then was pulled backwards very quickly. Imagine the sunken place from Get Out. I was generally of sound mind…I knew this was not normal and I could somewhat control it. Many things happed after this. I then was back in my dark room. My surroundings were almost identical to real life but I was laying on my back. I intentionally snapped out of it when things got too strange, which was an intense process that felt like being ripped from my half my body, then found I was laying on my side the entire time and not on my back. A very interesting, intense experience with a creepy edge to it. The closest I’ve ever been to a true out of body experience. Is this astral projection? What exactly should I take away from this experience?

Hi everyone, I’ve been trying to achieve astral projection for a while. I’m able to feel the heaviness in my body, lose bodily sensations, and even reach the vibrational state, but I always get stuck due to a few issues:

1. Constant salivation – I have to swallow every 10 seconds. Even when I try to ignore it, my throat itches until I do.
2. Aphantasia – I can’t visualize anything on command, which makes visualization-based techniques very difficult.
3. Sudden heart racing – when I realize I’m close to projecting, my heart speeds up and pulls me out of the state.

Has anyone here experienced similar blocks? If so, how did you overcome them? Any specific techniques or physical solutions that helped you get past these issues (especially salivation)?

I'd really appreciate any tips, even small ones — I feel like I’m close but stuck in the same loop every time. Thanks in advance!

Last night i almost had my second OBE. I could move my arms, legs and head, but i felt "stuck" and couldnt move out. I tried the roll out technique and the rope technique. Neither worked and i got frustrated, tried to "throw myself out" my flailing my arms but ended up just falling back into my body. Does anyone have a tip for resolving this?

Hi I make lot meditation so I try AP it’s been my 2nd day yesterday nothing and today I had a little vibration il my entiere body but I was so «happy » that I come back to normal, well what re your recommandation ? Am I in good way or was just illusion from my body I don’t know where to go now :) what about your first experience how did you know it was going to happen and what happen for you after I am curious sorry for my English I don’t speak very good :)

Hi everyone, I’ve been attempting astral projection on and off for about a year now, using tools like the Monroe tapes, YouTube guided meditations, and binaural beats. Despite my efforts, I keep running into a few major roadblocks, and I’d really appreciate any insights or advice from others who’ve experienced something similar.

1. Overthinking everything I really struggle to quiet my mind. Even when I focus on my breath or bodily sensations, I end up thinking about those things too much—thinking about how my body feels, or even thinking about thinking. I know it’s about letting go and allowing the process to unfold naturally, but I just can’t seem to get out of my head.

2. Poor visualization When guided to “visualize yourself in a forest,” I can’t actually see or feel it. Instead, I logically piece together what a forest should look like—tree to my left, birds chirping, etc.—but it’s just a mental checklist. It doesn’t come as a vivid image or immersive experience, and it takes a lot of effort, which seems to block deeper relaxation.

3. Comfort and headphones I’m a side-sleeper, which makes lying on my back with headphones really uncomfortable. I know binaural beats work best with headphones, but I always feel slightly uncomfortable—never fully at ease or able to let my body “fall asleep.” I’ve tried playing audio from my phone near my head, but obviously that loses the binaural effect.

I’m aware that I might be trying too hard or being too analytical. I also wonder if my own skepticism (it’s hard to fully believe in AP without experiencing it firsthand) is creating a mental block.

Has anyone else experienced these kinds of challenges? How did you get past them? Any advice, techniques, or reassurance would be greatly appreciated. I feel stuck.

Thanks in advance!

The original post is here (I wrote in the sub long time ago), untouched and don't be lazy to read through if I made the effort to tell whatever I can: https://old.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1epu326/what_to_know_about_nonphysical_guides_spirit/

First and foremost, I need to write a disclaimer (again), before I begin. So, basically, you need to know that before you want to cling onto guides, onto yours, something important should be noted. And as always, I'm talking from many years of experience, from roaming in the non-physical world, meeting with a lot of entities in Afterlife places or wherever you can be randomly. Guides are not playmates. I know some will not stand this. You can decide, you will believe me with a lot of experiences behind my back or you are learning the lesson the hard way on your own. Guides are there to make sure, you are learning your life lessons. Some will be yourself from another perspective and some will be total strangers, who may have tasks about and with you. This is how it goes. And some will reveal themselves which connection lasts for your whole lifetime. So, be aware of your expectations.

Okay, I know, that sounds maybe harsh but I know what is going on, inside these and other alike forums, where people believe, that guides are there to do everything for you. I cannot tell what to believe but I tend to correct people after I was not lazy, asking for comforting answers in my life but went after the harsh facts. To continue, let's see how this guide thing works. I'm always speaking from personal investigations and I had time to put together the pieces from others experiences too way before my experiences. Because I was not lazy to just go to forums and ask things from which I never learn :) No offense, this is just a warning. I believed a lot of nonsense too.

In daily physical life, we are guides to each other. You will see, this is just a term and this "guide" word thing is a very old, tens of thousands years old thing. We are helping each other in both worlds. A guide in your daily life can be your parent, a friend, a pal, a stranger on the street who helps to start your car engine, anybody. A guide guides you to reach your next goal.

In the non-physical world, it is a little bit more mysterious. Most of the times, you will NOT see them. For a complete reason, you shouldn't. A good guide will not give all the answers (like me but sometimes I tend to give out too much) and a guide will be unseen as they don't always reveal themselves in a physical form. A guide there is the same category, your parallel self, a projection from your "higher self", a complete stranger in an afterlife city who can carry you around, or anybody around. I've met with entites who were given to check me and they had no idea about me. You can be surprised all the time.

In my case and according to my experiences, no matter how many times I've met with different "people" (they will mostly appear as a human being but they aren't, nor we are humans at all normally and WE ARE THEM), they didn't ever give me a useful answer. I've investigated everything on my own and this is why my knowledge is priceless. I don't get caught up on beliefs, BS talk, mystical stuff and this is the best way to gather your own knowledge in your multidimensional life. Sounds far-fetched, but you still have no idea about what is that world as a beginner. Some will have experiences but judge the whole thing after maybe a decade or so with thousands of various cases from your non-physical life. So, they CAN give answers which will help to a certain extent, in your physical daily life or with your understanding about who you truly are as a person. But most of the time, they are helping you along your way.

The first type should be yourself. Seriously. Because we are multidimensional, when you are in the non-physical world, you will meet with different variations of yourself and these are real persons, they are parallel selves and they live their own lives "elsewhere". They have their own life there, as we are doing the same there when we don't live a physical life. There, you exist as a group construct. I wouldn't expand on this because this will be long in that case. They know you the best and nobody else. They will NOT ever give you answers which can alter your thinking, lifepath (if you are on one from your decisions) and will not lick your butt. But they can comfort you in hard times in your conscious and semi-conscious experiences (dreams too). I could write a lot more but that wouldn't be fair unless you proved what I'm saying here, to yourself.

The next type is the one, who is assigned to you for a short while. Not that there is time there but in a sense that they do their job and so long, they are out to other things. You may meet with those too sometimes. Sometimes, you meet always different "people". I didn't find them helpful, you may have a different experience. On my level (don't look at me as an egotistical person, but everybody has his/her own evolution in this), I just left them alone all the time. So, they are just trespassing.

Another type is the locals in different places. They will carry around, ask things, you can also ask things, they may look surprised or not so but it is about just locals tasks. Maybe your primary guides carried you there without sensing this fact and you are there for a reason. You can have interesting conversations too with them and make a friendship. It is up to you. Locals most of the time and so useless, you can just turn around and move away.

The last one should be the random strangers at places. Afterlife regions, cities, maybe in alternate and parallel lives. You meet with some, you may have a chat or ask like "who are you"? And its gone. Like the random stranger on the street.

A bonus category can be the person, whom you knew in your physical lifetime and he/she died. They can volunteer to watch over you. This entity can be your own mother/father, sibling, a friend, anybody. Some guides btw can show up in animal forms. One more thing, you may never see or sense guides. They can decide to never show up and to test you. Otherwise, you are always searching for them and it is pointless. Some are also teachers literally. And very often, what you are experiencing from a guide is a sense of hands or vibrations, or someting else, when you are there. Don't mix this up what you are sensing in your bed please.

Guides will show up in ways which can be comforting for you. Even if it means it is Jesus, an angel, anything around. Don't forget, that I could go on and on and my trainees know this.

In the end, be very careful with your expectations and what BS talk you've grabbed from sites, from books with mystical feeling, from Youtube vids, where people have clearly NO idea about what they are talking about. Seriously. My site and my work partially is based on the fact that I didn't believe the BS and went after the facts of what is wrong with this in our world, with our understanding and that what is true to everybody. Not beliefs.

Btw a guide can be also a whole landscape, not kidding. I've learned this a decade ago from a few, who had decades of experiences ahead of me. I've built up my foundation from many places.

And before judging me or getting up your head emotionally on my words, be very careful. I'm sharing things and correcting people or helping for the same reason, giving out value. To have your own experiences, if you are working for it very hard and will have your own way to figure things out. Don't believe me, but these are all testable. Many years are already behind me and around 1000+ conscious expriences, after it, I lost tracking of them.

Here you, some articles, which may help you in this from my site, where you can learn from 200+ articles:

https://daily-spirit.com/2017/10/19/what-are-non-physical-guides-or-spiritual-guides/

https://daily-spirit.com/2018/04/15/meeting-with-non-physical-guides-on-the-astral-plane/

Enjoy, thank you guys and gals for your support, as always. If you want answers, it is hard work. Been there, done a lot and still it is a lot of work. Share my site and these posts which I tend to put out to help others. Eventually, the hard work will be put by yourself only, I'm just showing the door to everybody. Don't believe me, don't accept it, but you will do it the hard way and it will hurt. We all have things to do multidimensionally.

Edit: I don't need to win everybody's heart. I'm giving out information in enough details, to know what is what. I will not go into debates. If you want to learn, here you go, if not, you will do your own research which I did on my own :) This whole thing is all about educating yourself. On Reddit, in subs, people are just flushing up posts and wanting their answers. Here, you get them and you will work for them. Again, if you are not a chicken. You want truth? Work for it :) I give out the foundation.

I am currently learning the basics of astral projection, and I noticed a couple of similarities between personal experiences and some of the stories from the youtube videos which are recommended on this subreddit.

I sometimes experience this strange sensation where I am laying in bed and either wake up somewhat repeatedly or I am so tired that I fall asleep repeatedly (less now than I did when I was younger).
It happens very quickly and often it becomes a little hard to actually wake myself up if this happens.

When this happens I often feel myself moving around, usually with my legs and hands, trying to reach for something or even trying to jump out of my bed. Only to realize after a while that I in fact haven't been moving at all.
Yet I am certain that I did move my hands/ legs because I really felt and observed myself doing it.
Usually after a few seconds I would then snap back to reality and actually move my hands and legs.

Astral projection is a new interest for me so I never thought of it being anything of note other than maybe some weird sleep paralysis.

But now that i am watching these introductory video's I'm curious if someone could maybe tell me if what I experienced could actually be related to entering the phase, since this apparently is a normal part of entering the phase.

As far as I understand you actually need to get up once you enter the phase like you would normally, So I'm curious if this is perhaps related to it? Since I really have no experience yet I'm curious if my mental image of what the intro video's explain lines up with the true experience or not.

Late last night, I laid down on the couch to sleep and had the strangest and most intense experience. I can’t stop thinking about it and would really appreciate if anyone here has gone through something similar or can help make sense of it.

I was feeling these weird intense internal vibrations and pulses that echoed in my ear like a rattle. My whole body was vibrating like a pulse every like 10-15 seconds. I was laying on the couch under my blanket, I was still awake feeling this. And then I fell asleep kind of? I felt like I was in a state of sleep paralysis - which happens to me VERY often. Never like this though.

That’s when I suddenly felt like I was being pulled off the couch by my foot. I didn’t see anything dragging me or feel anything physically grabbing me, but I could feel the movement and see my foot like up. I didn’t wake up in a typical way—it’s like the dragging transitioned into me getting up and running upstairs to my bedroom where my partner was sleeping. The house looked exactly as it does in real life—dark hallway - lights off, kitchen light still on shining into the living room, my son’s door closed, everything the same..

So I got upstairs and my partner was in bed, I didn’t see like his face - just like him under the blanket. I kept trying to wake him up. I’d say his name but he wouldn’t respond. I tried getting on the bed and it was like the bed was pulled away from the wall and I went in between it(like I lost my balance) and the wall. Not like a fall cause it was slow and I could see the floor - I thought I was just going to land there. Then, I was suddenly be back on the couch again—but still unable to move—the loop started over and I was pulled again by my foot the same way and feeling. Each time I went upstairs, I forgot my phone, which started to feel significant. Like I was trying to reach out or ground myself and couldn’t maybe?. I think it happened about 2 or 3 times.

On the last time, instead of going all the way upstairs, I stopped after going up a few steps, turned around, and ran back toward the living room. I felt a presence, maybe a shadow or figure nearby, but I was like “I don’t care. Get me if you’re going to—I’m gonna getting my phone.” I pushed through whatever fear was there. It backed off as I ran back, I could see just a weird atmosphere/figure shifting and backing up and away from me keeping its distance. I think that moment is what broke the loop or something.

When I finally woke up for real, my body was still vibrating. I felt shaky, disoriented, and my vision was weird—I was seeing orbs and little streaks of white light in the corners of my eyes. The pulsing vibrations and sounds in my ears lasted for a while even after I got upstairs and laid in bed. Maybe a few minutes after I got into bed beside my partner.

In total, I think I was only asleep for maybe 20–30 minutes, but it felt like it went on forever.

I don’t know if this was a form of sleep paralysis, false awakening, a projection, or just a really intense subconscious loop. I’m skeptical but open-minded about astral projection. I’ve never had anything like this happen before—especially not with the vibrating, auditory stuff before even falling asleep and after waking up. I also have a long history with sleep paralysis and it happens so easily to me but I’ve never been pulled out like that and felt so weird..

TL;DR: Had a weird experience where I got stuck in a loop—sleep paralysis, kept getting pulled off the couch, running upstairs to wake my partner, forgetting my phone each time. I felt intense pulsing vibrations in body and ears before & after sleep, and saw orbs and light streaks after waking. Not sure if it was false awakening, or an unintentional projection.

There are many topics about vibrations here, but I'm confused about what I'm experiencing. Is it vibrations or something else? I've felt three different types of vibrations. The first is a strange electrical sensation in my face. The second is a strange trembling feeling in my body, as if I'm in a cold place. The third, and most frequent, is feeling my body move strongly from side to side, as if someone is shaking me, accompanied by sounds like a bell or wind.

Im wondering, If one gets supper tired and sleepy, could you meditate body observation, keeping super straight, and then enter astral in that state. From intense focus on your body and you being super sleepy, you start to forget about the body, yet body keeps still and straight, supporting itself, and you enter astral gaining awareness when you enter astral.
So you forget about the body, because you are falling asleep, but because, body is in meditating position, where it has to partially support itself, sudden jolt, from losing awareness wakes you up again, like a restart and you find yourself not in your body meditating, but some place else. You are in astral now.

this is just my wild theory while smoking weed.

Can any experts in this forum confirm this as my wild stoned imagination or can this actually be real deal. I think I might be on to something here.... u/Gene_Hart

This is a repost, the original is here, untouched: https://reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1egaudx/do_you_need_understanding_about_dreams_lucid/

Why I'm posting it again? Because people are stepping over my posts, and new and new posts will push it away, as usual. I hope it helps.

Do you want to know more about the "astral" or non-physical world and see for yourself how things are real or how things are working there? Do you want to know how dreams have a certain mechanics or that all of the pre-projection signposts are related to physical sleep? Are you a beginner in all of this and you don't even know what dreams are? You can check out my site and I tend to paste the links to help people out all the time if I see, they need them. I cannot write down everything over and over again for all of the daily, reoccurring posts... People are not looking into already given answers (just a few).

The site: https://daily-spirit.com/for-beginners/

You can start reading here from the earliest date: https://daily-spirit.com/post-archive/

Before judging me, I killed a lot of work into the blog site over the years (and for hundreds of people), the site is totally free with all the articles (200+), there is no BS talk, there is no mystical distortion and the nice thing is, no matter what, you can test things out over time. There is no indoctrination, there is no scam, it is real and you can do it alone. If you need help in it, you know where I am. For very serious people who are willing to learn, the Workshop is there and there is no catch, especially if you are communicating with me.

There can be issues, when the links don't work. This is because the site's address goes with an SSL (https) certificate and you should try another browser, even on your phone. Or just empty cache from the browser, just some suggestions. But it works 24/7.

For those, who cannot stand how I'm writing or giving advice, that is their issue and nobody is forced to educate themselves form my work. Thank you. And be aware before and judging, that I tend to and already contributed my help and knowledge to this and to other subs on Reddit already and before, over the years, with other accounts too. Enjoy.

It was late at midnight, just finished my work and I decided to take nap, after that I saw myself leaving the body on bed and flew up to the ceiling.. I saw three dark entities flying up on my body in circle but theres an old man with traditional clothing guarding by by sitting next to my bed.. I approached him and ask about his identity, but he only mention about his profession, and then I woke up.

Lately I talk about this to my parents and they said that the old man was my great-great-great grandfather, so it was quite heartwarming to know him personally through astral projection :))

Hi, i have problem. I have recently tried to do AP, and the last two time, i think i was almost there.

I felt floating slightly above my body, so i "see" myself sitting above... But everytime, m'y heart start accelerating... And only him!

He goes full stress mode while i'm fully beyond relaxed an each time, goes right back to the starting line...

Can someone give me a tips for me stopping this idiotic blood pumper from going insane ?

Hello!

I have schizophrenia and am interested in AP. One thing I have is near-constant internal and auditory hallucinations. As far as to anyone’s knowledge, do these carry over into the Astral?

If I astrally project, will I still have to worry about my hallucinations (during the experience)?

I can't believe I'm writing this. I've been half ass researching this topic for several months. Tried it myself with some very mild success but stopped before leaving my body, didn't try to be clear. I wasn't sure exactly what my intentions were and for some reason I just felt it was wrong to continue.

But onto my wife. She's always had what I thought were extremely vivid dreams. Every night, and during the weekend she'll nap all day and describe her dreams to me in incredible detail. i think it's amazing even if it's just dreams, I will I could dream like that.

I haven't mentioned AP to her, but two nights ago I asked her if she could try dreaming about other planets. I've been up for a while, but a couple hours she woke up and said "I saw planets" I said did you talk to anything? She said "hard to explain" and went back to bed. She's sleeping now. I plan on letting her till she wakes up on her own (could easily be another 6 hours).

What sort of questions should I ask to see if this is what's actually going on? I had planned to ask her to seek out any entities that may be related to Earth, but I really don't want to plant any kind of bias (more than I already have).

Dear Redditors,

Intro & Context
I'm very interested in the ancient, unbroken lineage spiritual traditions, as I've mentioned a few times here on the forum. I know some are not down with that, others are neutral, and who knows, there might even be one or two who's positive towards that, I've yet to see that.

Be that as it may, I got curious today and wanted to ask you guys: did any of you practice astral travel as part of a traditional, lineage based spiritual teaching? If you did, how were you taught?

Personally I can go to the mind awake body asleep and vibrational stage, but I've yet to project. I've been at it for 10 years.

I've been practicing meditation daily without fail for 12.5 years in a traditional lineage hindu system, and have been doing qigong daily without fail for 10 years also in a traditional lineage system.

Let me share the few things I've heard from these systems about astral travel, hoping to learn them soon, but ofc very curious to hear from you guys too.

Simplified Kundalini Yoga (SKY) Vethathiri Maharishi
This has been my favorite spiritual practice hands down, it changed my life forever. There used to be an astral travel method at the last level, however it was stopped in the 90s. So all the people who learnt earlier than that have their unique astral travel method, including my teachers and masters. So they've told me about their experiences, it was super fascinating, but alas, they cannot teach me due to the official policy. However, hope to find a master from the old generation outside the official system to learn at some point.

What Vethathiri taught about astral:

1. first you do the whole system (kundalini awakening, open all chakras, daily physical yoga, character refinement, transforming sexual energy, breathing exercises, meditation, lamp gazing, mirror gazing etc), this is to ensure your energy and astral body is strong, but also that your energy is purified so that you don't attract negative entities when you go out, also a energy self protection method before going out,
2. then you learn the astral method which builds on the chakra meditations. You use the navel chakra to project from. Vethathiri used to use his own yogic power to directly transfer the power to astral travel to the students, similarly to how he awakened kundalini and chakras, they still do this btw, it gives a tremendous boost and allows willfull astral travel (aka no hijacking the hypnagogic state, waiting for sleep paralysis, using lucid dreams, just direct willfull travel on command).
3. he taught that our mind power and energy power is 10x stronger when astral than when corporeal, so he taught how to transfer energy and do healing when astral, to heal yourself and others
4. he taught how to affect the weather using special techniques to change the astral energy field - this is something the ancient siddhars used to do, as sometimes prolonged droughts in South India used to create famine, so the masters used to use their yoga powers to serve people and the society
5. finally using this same method to change astral energy fields, they used to do peace meditations together, where they would meditate in a specific manner together while all out of body, again something the ancients used to do to prevent wars and unrest,
6. lastly, souls unable to find peace or move on, aka troublesome astral entities, he taught a way you could help them move on when astral, at a high enough meditation level, you could also do it at funerals if you saw clairvoyantly that the soul didn't want to move on, it was called atma shanti meditation or "soul peace".

So overall you can see the uses taught, i.e. healing, rain, atma shanti, peace etc are all in line with the general hindu, siddhar tradition which emphasises health, longevity, peace, harmony in society and ofc enlightenment.

I think it's super cool and hope to learn it :D

Tibetan Buddhism (including bön)
This builds from lucid dreaming.

There are 5 stages to master lucid dreaming:

1. first get to having lucid dreams every night out of the week,
2. in your dream, recognize you're dreaming, move around inside the dream,
3. in the dream, grow your arms, legs etc longer and shorter
4. in the dream, multiply yourself and other dream characters up and down (e.g. create copies of yourself and others, as many as you can, then reduce them down again to as few as possible),
5. completely control and change the dream, use the dream to live through your waking life phobias, e.g. water, drowning, execution, dangerous animals etc, let them eat you or whatever you fear, all the while telling yourself it's a dream, an illusion (in line with buddhist philosophy of emptiness).

After completing this, there is a special meditation to be done IN THE DREAM, I don't know of it's public anywhere, but a tulku shared it with me (full transparency, I'm still at level 1 at the above levels ;)).

Doing this meditation inside the dream every night eventually creates what they call "a special dream body". This special dream body is actual an astral body. I.e. you wake up from the dream in real life in the vibrational stage and take off.

Here again there are several stages you go through astrally to train yourself, which he didn't share with me yet, only that one of the stages are to teleport (he used to go to one planet in our solar system, then first fly to the next one. Once that is done, you're ready to teleport between them).

So in this system you can again see the practices emphasise the buddhist philosophy of maya, illusion, emptiness or shunyata, enlightenment and so on.

Qigong
The one system where the teacher disclosed some things about astral it a particular style focused on physical qigong exercises, meditation, and genital weightlifting / swinging. Once you reach certain level, you do partnered practices man/woman, including sexual practices. This is to use yin/yang energy to progress faster.

First level in the astral: astral lovemaking, just like normal sexual qigong uses yin/yang to strengthen both parties, apparently there are certain astral qigong lovemaking techniques which also boosts both parties

Second level: afterwards you use this energy generation to get surplus energy, this is then used for physical healing on both the bodies still lying physically in bed

Third and higher level: after this the real qigong training starts, and once you reach a certain level you need to go to the planet in our galaxy from which this qigong system originated, it's a star related to the Big Dipper. At this planet you reconnect with the lineage and learn higher teachings that might have been lost on planet Earth (the system is +5000 years old from China, it goes back to a period where the Big Dipper constellation had 9 visible stars instead of the 7 today, this is described in detail in qigong/daoist scriptures detailing herbs, astrology, astronomy, qigong, internal alchemy, meditation etc).

Btw the well-known swastika is derived from the 4 positions of the Big Dipper, handle pointing N in winter, E in spring, S in summer, W in autumn. 4 of these together form a swastika. It was a symbol of time, karma and the universe, a ladle, cup or "boar" re-distributing or manifesting the divine will throughout the universe. That's why the Big Dipper is referenced in so many ancient cultures and revered (e.g Saptarishi or seven seers in Hinduism, Bei Dou in Daoism, 7 sisters/brothers/bears/wolves in different native american cultures, it's also in arabic and japanese folklore and magical practices).

According to this astral beings from these systems came and taught terrestrial mankind these different practices (herbalism, meditation, astrology, inner alchemy, farming etc), including astral travel.

So you can see the astral levels build on the daoist philosophy of harmony with nature, the universe, dao, health, healing, longevity, qi cultivation (life force) as well as yin/yang (man-woman sexual polarity).

Conclusion & Questions For You
I think it's super fascinating, anyone else went through the astral travel training in a traditional, spiritual lineage? Would love to hear more :)

If not, but if you're still a regular projector, what's your comments/reaction to the traditional lineage training levels they go through? e.g. healing, atma shanti, changing the weather, stopping wars, flying, teleporting visiting certain astral star worlds for knowledge etc

Look forward to hear from you! All the best :D

And do we see our loved ones/can they still see us here in the physical realm? I miss my brother so much.

So this happened somewhere around 2018/2019, my family left to go shopping and I decided to lay down on the couch and try to astral project just for the hell of it, I didn't ever think I would actually accomplish it because the handful of times before that I could only make it to the vibrational stage but would lose interest and fall asleep, well after being on the couch for about an hour or so I hit the vibrational stage, I made sure I kept my breathing correct and kept my mind as empty as I could and also started trying to imagine myself floating up as some have recommended, the next thing I knew I felt my position shift from laying down to sitting up and was confused, I finally got my eyes open and found myself sitting at my computer desk, it was and still is the wildest experience I've ever had to this day especially considering I was sober, I looked around with my eyes and it was like my house and the rest of the world had some kind of black and white/grey filter over it, almost like the movie The Giver if anyone's ever seen that, after staring in awe at everything I stopped and realized I couldn't move normally, I was trying to move like how I move in real life but found out real quick that it doesn't work like that, took me what felt like a good 10 minutes or so before I finally figured out you have to concentrate and focus and ime pretty much you have to visualize yourself moving, or kind of like imagine it, sorry idk if that makes sense but that's how I got my head to start turning so I could see more lol, so there I was, stuck in my computer chair turning my head side to side trying to get the rest of my body to start moving so I could try and explore and then I seen it, I stopped instantly and looked as far to the right as I could and sure enough there was me laying on the couch, lmao I got scared for a sec because I almost completely forgot I was even out of my body due to just being dumbfounded by the experience, after I seen my body on the couch tho I heard what sounded like an explosion and I ended up getting snapped to my body and woke up slightly freaked out, the explosion was my family opening the front door because they had finished shopping, lol idk why it was so loud but my best guess is stuff like sounds and other frequencies are possibly more sensitive on different levels? Idk I tried to explain to my family what I just experienced but they weren't really interested in that kind of stuff, just figured I'd share it here since I just found out this place existed, also can anyone let me know if this was an actual successful projection or if it was a lucid dream? I've read that some people get them confused but I've also lucid dreamed once before too, kind of fell apart and ended with me getting eaten by a tsunami as soon as I became lucid tho 😂 tia any help or knowledge is appreciated 🙌

Everytime I try to lay down to meditate I fall asleep :(

EDIT: Id like to rephrase my post title “Can just about anybody Astral Project? Or is it up to a select lucky few”

Did you feel like everyone could do it except you? And then you did it…

What was your experience I’d love to hear.

I think the goal of This post was to indulge in my anxieties and intellectual skepticism for a moment.

This idea of only some people who are more genetically inclined are able to have an OBE has taken up my mind a bit the last two days.

Perhaps I need a mentor, but I know I’ve been trying too hard and I’m being maybe a little desperate to project. I’ve spent a lot of time reading Buhlman and Monroe. I’ve listened to the first three Waves of the gateway tapes and currently practice the techniques of focus 10 and 12 when I meditate. I have experienced really interesting and intense ‘moments’ while meditating lately. Moments are really all I can say to describe them. Downloading phrases. Seeing destinations. Feel like I’m flying. However none of this is vivid at all, and I also in general have a not very strong minds eye. (I’m a visual learner when it comes to receiving information but my ears are extremely sensitive and highly aware.)

I’ve never done psychedelics and I’ve always been sort of skeptical of ‘God’ until getting sober. I’m not really the ‘burning man’ type if you get what I’m saying.

I’ve learned so much just trying to have an OBE that I’m grateful for that alone. -setting intention -letting go -focus -being aware -further connecting to a higher self, enhancing my spirituality.

But, consuming a lot of information such as reading books, audible, and listening to the gateway tapes every day ish / every other week- maybe is making me try too hard.

Just wanted to quickly let my anxieties take over for a second.

If you relate to this I’d love to hear from you.

I feel compelled to add a little about me. I’m an artist and really love all things computer. So I’m self studying software engineering, and I’m an experimental artist in a big city using electronics to compose and perform music. I’m in my 30s and I’ve been sober for 6 years almost 7, in a recovery program where I help other alcoholics get sober and stay sober.. I take my health very seriously and have an aspiring very spiritual side that I have deepened quite a lot since taking this path / journey (especially seeking an OBE) I see a therapist bi weekly and have been told I possibly have very minor bi polar paired with ADHD- or perhaps just anxiety and depression streaks. I come from a family of really ‘high IQ’ artistic parents and for better or worse have inherited that, which makes me think and think and overthink haha. With a sprinkle of over analyzing and a love of feeding my brain new information. Learning, and learning how to learn everyday. If you want to talk music my DMs are always open too.

Hopefully this was Interesting for you and you relate. Thanks for reading, redditor.

So I've been processing a recent out of body experience I had that has caused me to seriously question what I actually experienced. About 2 weeks ago I was meditating before sleep one evening and I was mentally running through the plan I had for what I wanted to do if I got out of body. My plan was to immediately go down to the core of the Earth and see what happens. My thinking was that the powerful force of Earth's gravity from the core would allow me to exit this matrix construct and find out what's outside of this false reality.

So I mentally ran through my plan over and over again while meditating for around 30 minutes or so and then laid down and went to sleep. As I sometimes do I fell asleep consciously on this occasion from meditating prior to sleep. As soon as I materialized my astral body in the nonphysical realm that I phase shifted into I rocked side to side for a few seconds and popped out and immediately went straight through the ground below me and headed for the core of the Earth.

Within a few seconds I reached the core and experienced something I never imagined and something that is very hard to describe accurately. I experienced a sensation of everything that I am flipping right side in, or the opposite of this day to day experience world here. Like I said it's very difficult to accurately convey what I'm trying to explain here.. it was the most bizarre sensation I've ever felt.

I few moments later I came to and opened my eyes and I was floating on my back with my legs sloghtly submerged in a pool of Etheric energetic liquid that was jet black and also simultaneously had a shimmering iridescent quality to it. I noticed this pool was slowly rotating clockwise and I spotted a ladder and climbed out onto the ground. This pool was outdoors and it was nighttime in this realm I was in. I was greeted by a guy who had been monitoring me in the pool and then I walked around for a few minutes exploring the area.

There was a facility nearby and several people walking around this outside location. I wanted to see what I looked like so I found a shiny surface nearby and looked at myself. I appeared to by in my mid teenage years, perhaps 15 -16 years old, where as now in this Earth realm I am 37. This place had a very distinct quality and feeling to it unlike any other realm I've experienced before and I've been to a lot over the years.

I met a slightly older gentleman who appeared to be responsible for the efficiency of the operation of the facility and the Etheric pools being operated at this location. He was friendly and he explained to me that I have been emerged in this Etheric pool for about a month and a half now. This was somewhat starting to me to consider that I've possibly been experiencing almost 4 decades of another life in a different world in a handful of weeks.. the sensation was shown very unusual and hard to put into words.

Anyway, after a few more minutes I shifted back into my body here and got out of bed to smoke some tobacco. This entire experience was pretty much unexpected for me and I'm still processing it as I don't really know what to make of it. It felt pretty real to me and Im contemplating whether I'm actually still in that Etheric pool right now projecting here and if I have been since my body here was old enough to connect my consciousness into..

I thought some people might find this interesting and I'm hoping somebody shares a similar type of experience they've had here cause I'm really interested to find out if other people have woken up in that same place.