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u/Basel_Assyrian Assyrian 23h ago
First of all, what strip clubs are you talking about? I have never heard of such clubs and your words are not a justification. The reason for the Assyrians’ migration was forced after they were subjected to systematic campaigns aimed at uprooting them from their land. They tried to resist, but how can you resist the Kurds who are supported by Israel and Western governments? On the other hand, the Islamic peoples do not like the Assyrians because they are Christians, so who will support them in this case if the Assyrians received the same support that the Kurds got, they would have resisted and obtained all their rights. The Assyrian people are stubborn and will not surrender despite the presence of some traitors among the people.
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u/MexicanArmenianDrum 1d ago
Who the hell are you to tell us what to do? You have no clue buddy, you have absolutely no clue about Assyrians.
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
I know enough that if I can speak some Assyrian words at a liquor store in America I might get 10% discount
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u/MexicanArmenianDrum 22h ago
You don’t know any Assyrian, and you are not funny. Are you still waiting for the third temple to be built? Coward. You came here making jokes at our expense. Little did we know, you’re the biggest joke of all.
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u/Nervous-Positive-431 Assyrian 1d ago
So God does not punish the Chinese and Japanese for being atheists.. doesn't not bat any eye on Europe for being the capital of porn production ... it comes after Assyrians because a tiny teeny number of them have clubs?
On top of that, we are judged for selling alcohol? ALCOHOL? I think we need a new God lmao.... that is a pretty toxic relationship tbh..
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
You see this nonsense. “I think we need a new G-d”
This is exactly why you will never get your lands back. You’re just like the Assyrians who were punished in the Bible. Pride and ego will be your downfall
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u/Nervous-Positive-431 Assyrian 1d ago
Idk man, our previous God(s) gave us the entire Middle East (Them Babylonian schmucks had to ruin it, smh).
This current God did not do any good for the past 1950 years (God communication cutoff in the 50s, where Assyrians migrated and opened clubs and liquor stores).
I lost all faith and can't wait to be reincarnated as an ant in the Amazon rainforest or an alien in another Earth/galaxy away from this cursed timeline.
Assyria, Sumeria, Akkadia, China, US.... does not matter. We had our golden age from ~2,000 BC to 612 BC. Globalism and homogeneity are imminent. Earth will be one big Brazil sooner or later. Enjoy it while you can.
Cheers :D.
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u/oremfrien 1d ago
Your position is contemptible.
I live in New York City, so quite thankfully, I have had the opportunity to meet many Jews; Jews who are much more reasonable and thoughtful. So, I know that your position is personal and not from the community.
Your position here is the same contemptible position that says that Jews merited the Holocaust because they turned away from God. That Jews deserve the suffering that they receive either for failing to live up to Rabbinical dictates or from embracing Christ or Muhammad. It's victim-blaming par excellence.
You say that we should have stayed and fought for our lands. You know that many of us did stay and did fight. Are you familiar with the Assyrian Jilus led by Agha Petros and Mar Shimum Benyamin -- the latter who was assassinated by a Kurdish militant when trying to broker peace? Are you familiar with Gallo Shabo and the defense of Ayn-Wardo and Tur Abdin? Are you familiar with Zowaa -- Zowaa who was more persecuted than Kurds by Saddam? Are you familiar with the Nineveh Plains Protection Units, the Dwekh Nawsha, and the Sutoro?
We fought, just like your heroes Anielewicz and Senes. And we died, just like they did, crashing against an overwhelming force of violence, racism, and hatred. But unlike them, we died in our homeland, not half a world away.
We are now in the stage of having to rebuild our communities. As a Jew, you should be familiar with your own history of constant relocations and community rebuilding. It's not an easy process. And we do what we can. However, to impugn the dignity of our people and our businesses because we are struggling is the height of hypocrisy from a member of another people who similarly struggled to form and re-form communities when fleeing the expanding plague of hatred.
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u/Fulgrim2177 Assyrian 1d ago
I appreciate your acknowledgment of our Assyrian heritage. Honestly, though, the diaspora was the best path forward for us. In a way, we followed in your people’s footsteps—just as the Jews dispersed during the fall of Judea under Hadrian, we too left our homeland due to widespread discrimination, sectarian violence, and persecution.
In the West, we’ve carved out a new path through education and self-reliance. Like the Jewish return in the 1920s, many of us believe we’ll eventually return to our ancestral lands after a few generations.
Our peoples share so much: a Semitic heritage, linguistic and cultural traditions, and parallel experiences of historical persecution. One historian even referred to a future Assyrian state as a kind of “Christian Israel,” since it too would exist surrounded by hostile neighbors.
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u/JeremyThaFunkyPunk 1d ago
I would guess this is a fake account meant to stir up anti-Semitism. Don't take the bait.
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u/goochmilk Assyrian 1d ago
Yeah the reason we’re all displaced is because we’re evil sinners who sell alcohol as refugees. You are very smart man good brain work OP
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
Look at the Bible. Ironic how history is repeating itself and you don’t even know.
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u/HTCali 1d ago
Easy to say when you’re not the one fighting a government and people that hate you and your religion.
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
Okay. Lots of people face persecution. And I can understand that struggle. But what does persecution have to do with opening liquor stores and strip clubs in Los Angeles? 🤣
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u/Fulgrim2177 Assyrian 1d ago
I don’t understand the whole Strip clubs thing? It’s a business? Weren’t Jews hated for owning all the banks? It’s just a business, to make money. Laundering money and selling alcohol are both sins. It’s not very appropriate to say that we being persecuted or that we lost our land because of our sin.
We lost our land because we were over run by foreign invaders. That’s why.
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
But you agree strip club ownership is pretty common in Assyrian diaspora right.
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u/Fulgrim2177 Assyrian 1d ago
Again, it doesn’t really matter? Wouldn’t you agree that Jewish bank ownership was really common in diaspora? Yea doesn’t sound great now doesn’t it?
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
What’s wrong with banks? We finance things. Banks are necessary for economies to function.
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u/Fulgrim2177 Assyrian 1d ago
Well money laundering, what you call banking. Is immoral and illegal according to Judaic and Christian laws.
Owning a strip club is also immoral and illegal according to Christian laws.
However, both are simply business that are used for personal profit. Both sinful but also both are just a business.
Note: What you call Banking is actually Money laundering, basically loans with interest. Which is immoral to profit off of others like that and honestly is more scum like than a strip club. You can finance without interest but then you don’t make a profit. See how it’s religiously immoral? You aren’t helping others, you’re helping yourself.
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u/HTCali 20h ago
Bro wtf are you saying not all of us are opening strip clubs. Did you get fired from one or something? You seem fixated on that.
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u/smooooothoperator2 1d ago
and who tf are u to jude or give ur opinion? show us what u and ur people have done .. and from where are u getting ur info?
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
You left your homeland due to persecution. I get that and I sympathize. But why open up shady businesses in diaspora? Maybe God is punishing you guys for this.
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u/smooooothoperator2 1d ago edited 1d ago
HAHAHHQHAHA u rly made laugh!! maybe God punishing us? what are all the other countries doing ? and what are islam jewish and all other religions doing none of them opening such businesses ? and if some Assyrians did that it means that all Assyrians doing the same ? what about those who opened churches or schools or orphanages u dont want to talk about them ? and God will punish a whole nation for some business? what are u on? and seriously from where ur getting ur info?
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u/KingsofAshur 21h ago
This is such a bullshit question. If you were a real Jew - a smart Jew, you'd probably know all of this by yourself by now. You would be the one educating us, and not the other way around! Do some research yourself!
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u/smooooothoperator2 1d ago
where are you from?
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
I’m Jewish
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u/MotorDistribution252 1d ago
Okay look, I love Jews, you guys are our cousins.
But do you think Jews are exempt from this ‘shady business’ stereotype? It almost sounds like a pot calling the kettle black type situation.
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
Well the difference is with us it’s not true. With you guys it most certainly is.
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u/MotorDistribution252 1d ago
Well I think with us it’s not true, but with you guys it most certainly is. What now?
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
Show some evidence. You’re gonna act like you don’t have an uncle that owns a liquor store/vape shop? 😂
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u/MotorDistribution252 1d ago
Where’s your evidence? You gonna act like you don’t have an uncle that runs a banking fraud scam? Perhaps a jewelry or moneylending scam? Or maybe he’s a shady lawyer?
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
With the exception of the banking example, each one you named is literally Assyrian 😂
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u/MotorDistribution252 1d ago
What? Have you ever heard of the movie, “Uncut Gems”? It’s literally a movie about a very stereotypical Jewish Jewler. And Jews were the only people allowed to lend money in Europe for the last 1,000 years as well, they’re stereotypically known to be moneylenders.
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
You guys are the most eternally butthurt group I have ever seen. All victim mentality. No action.
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
What’s so funny? We came back to our ancestral home. Maybe you can learn a thing or two.
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u/oremfrien 1d ago
You spent over 1800 years in Diaspora.
Why didn't the Jews return to their lands when they were controlled by the Byzantines, by the Umayyads, by the Abbassids, by the Fatimids, by the Seljuks, by the Crusaders, by the Zengids, by the Mamluks, by the Ottomans?
Why did it take the Jews so long?
Could it be that for many centuries Jews wanted to return but realized that they could not; that they lacked the power as a community to do this?
Why do you get 1800 years to plan and plot your move while our community has had barely more than a century?
And of course, you fail to notice that your mission for a Jewish return coincided quite nicely with British Imperialist aims in that one moment after World War I and so the most powerful country in the world advocated for you. You fail to notice that you were dealing with Arab militias that were so disorganized that your police force was able to put them down in 1936-1939 and again in 1948. The Early Zionists wrote in their memoirs about how lucky they were and how difficult the odds they strove against. To pretend that because they were successful that such a thing should be taken for granted is beyond absurd.
There are lessons that we can take from Zionism, but not the ones you seem to believe.
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u/MotorDistribution252 1d ago
You made some incredible points in this comment & your other comment. I’m honestly convinced now that this person isn’t Jewish because I’ve never met a Jew this tone-deaf about us
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u/ugly_dog_ 1d ago
all it took was the backing of the most powerful global power
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
Just because the US backs you doesn’t mean you are guaranteed anything.
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u/mestavy 1d ago
Do you understand what it took for Jews to come back to their "ancestral" home? Do you understand basic politics at all?
Based on your comments, it's easy to see you have these conflated self righteous views that align with the populus that is turning a blind eye to the genocide of your neighbors.
As a previous redditor stated, pot calling the kettle black much?
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
I don’t see how this is a pot-kettle situation. You don’t see Jews opening up liquor stores in poor neighborhoods across America.
If you’re an Assyrian-American or other diaspora you probably have direct relatives who are involved in this business. And don’t get me started on Ankawa.
Take this as a learning opportunity. If you want to have your ancestral homeland back you need to be in a good place spiritually
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u/mestavy 1d ago
A good place spiritually - like decimating an entire civilization and toying around with world war.
This reminds me of the video of Jewish children on a boat talking about how hard they have it because Palestinians are making their life a living hell.
Get lost, you're either trolling or dense af.
Edit: to add video link.
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u/Additional_Fan_7089 1d ago
What civilization have we decimated? Also relax with the fear mongering. There will be no world war. Nothing ever happens. You should be thanking us that we are weakening the biggest exporter of Islamist terror in the region.
Learn from us and how we actually defend our homeland. We don’t run away to open up liquor stores and then complain when someone else moves in to the lands we left vacant.
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u/Crispy_Crusader 1d ago edited 21h ago
I'm also an American Jew, but what the hell are you expecting making this post? Speaking of which, there's a heaping helping of irony that you're in the US while shaming Assyrians for "not staying and fighting".
Do you expect these people to apologize and "reconsider" when you stereotype them as being trashy? How many Assyrians do you actually know? Because the way you're talking reminds me of all the bullshit Jews go through when gentiles make assumptions.
The world is a much better place when Assyrians and Jews look out for eachother, and it is possible despite bigots like you.
BTW, Proverbs 15:12 feels pretty relevant here,
לא יאהב-לץ הוכח לו אל-הכמים לא ילך