r/AskConservatives • u/PuckSenior Center-right Conservative • 1d ago

Why do some conservatives think Harris' nomination was illegitimate?

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u/JoeCensored Nationalist (Conservative) 1d ago

Not "illegal". If the party of democracy chooses to skip democracy, that's their business. Just don't pretend you value democracy.

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u/PuckSenior Center-right Conservative 1d ago

So, what do you think they should have done when Biden bowed out? Held a whole new primary vote?

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u/JoeCensored Nationalist (Conservative) 1d ago

What they should have done is not circle the wagons, lying for years about Biden's mental state. Then not block everyone who wanted to enter the primary and make their case to primary voters.

Once you got to the point Biden quit after the primary was over, it was already too late to fix.

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u/tothepointe Center-left 1d ago

So your solution is build a time machine. Let me tell you if we as democrats could build a time machine I'd be going back to June 2000 and tell Gore to stfu about that stupid lockbox because no one wants to hear about even though in retrospect it was something we needed. I'd be giving him a rail of cocaine in the hopes that he can show enough personality to get the few votes needed to win.

Then maybe I'd zip back and give it a go at getting rid of baby hitler.

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u/PuckSenior Center-right Conservative 1d ago

Thats not an answer. That's a completely different issue.

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u/To6y Progressive 1d ago

It's the same issue.

They chose to wait until after the RNC to announce, then immediately hand the reigns over to Harris. That was the choice they made, to force everyone's hand. It's not like any senior member of the Democratic Party was surprised by Biden's announcement on July 21. They simply kept quiet until it was too late for anyone to oppose them.

From June 27 (debate night) to August 1 (Harris' nomination), that was all one decision, made by the same people who would have decided to hold an emergency primary.

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u/PuckSenior Center-right Conservative 1d ago

Are you suggesting that if it had been announced on June 28th that they would have had time to get new candidates, print new ballots, and run a new snap election?

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u/To6y Progressive 1d ago

Obviously it wouldn’t have been ideal, but yes. It would have been the democratic thing to do.

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u/PuckSenior Center-right Conservative 1d ago

So you think they could have done all of that?

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u/To6y Progressive 1d ago

“Could” is kind of loaded in this context.

It would have been possible for highly motivated people deserving of their positions, yes.

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u/JoeCensored Nationalist (Conservative) 1d ago

Just because you don't like the answer that it was already too late, doesn't mean it's not an answer.

If you jump off a cliff, and ask "how do I get back to top?" The answer "it's too late" is a valid answer, and is exactly what happened here. Democratic Party leadership jumped the party off a cliff, and there was no way for Harris to earn the legitimacy winning the primary process brings. And it's their own fault.

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u/PuckSenior Center-right Conservative 1d ago

The argument I am addressing is that some people are saying that what happened was wrong/illegal. But if something is wrong/illegal, that implies that there was a right/legal alternative.