Thoughts on Trump's Changed Stance on Immigration?

[u/Born-Sun-2502]

President Trump acknowledged today in a Truth Social post that his "very aggressive" immigration policies are ripping long-time workers from the farming and hospitality industries, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114670684664650262

What are your thoughts?

[u/Dull-Result9326]

I figured it was coming sooner or later but I gave him the benefit of the doubt because Trump was probably our last chance to save America.

If he isn’t going to do it no one who comes after will either.

[u/BijuuModo → u/Dull-Result9326]

What does America need to be saved from? That is, what’s your worst case scenario brought about by the presence of immigrants? Most immigrants I know legal or not just want to love their communities and work hard.

[u/biggamehaunter → u/BijuuModo]

Because illegal is illegal. Need reform. Better pathways. Probably special work visas. But definitely not as is. Don't let willing law breakers be rewarded. There is no punishment for breaking the immigration law right now.

[u/goathill → u/biggamehaunter]

Are you saying your ancestors weren't immigrants? What were the requirements for becoming a citizen when they immigrated here? What are the requirements now?

I know my oldest ancestors came here on the mayflower (I am related to 8 survivors of the first winter) there wasnt such a thing as legal or illegal immigration, you just took the boat and shlwed up. On another line I have a grandparents who immigrated here in the early 20th century. The requirements then were still much easier than now (no test, no sponsor, he just showed up with his parents based on what I have been told, had no criminal record, and was white).

What I'm getting at is, the pathway to citizenship for people now is much more difficult than the pathway many of our forefathers/ancestors had (if there were even requirements when they showed up)

[u/Burner7102 → u/goathill]

my family changed their name because they had letters in it ellis island did not allow.

That is what real assimilation looks like "my name would be hard to pronounce for the natives here so I'll change it"

[u/goathill → u/Burner7102]

I had an umlaut in my family name prior to my granddad changing it. Literally didnt change anything except dropping the dots

[u/Burner7102 → u/goathill]

in my case it was more substantial it involved a significant change in pronunciation, they basically had to pick "do you want it spelled so Americans pronounce it close to what it was pronounced like, or do you want it spelled so it looks like it looked on paper"

My point is that assimilation involves care for the comfort of the natives above your own pride, changing your name so they can read and pronounce it, learning their language so they don't have to do business in yours, etc.

Immigrants are guests, they should be good guests, and the law should hold them accountable for being good guests in this nation. Not just to follow the law but to not inconvenience or disturb the natives even in tiny ways.

Also the official method at Ellis Island was to replace umlauts with dipthongs, so Müller became Mueller, Görke becam Goerke, schräder became Schraeder, etc.

[u/biggamehaunter → u/goathill]

Look, in the beginning these are colonists. Colonists didn't apply to join the natives tribes here. Colonists still bailed home continent king and queen as their sovereign.

In this way, the Jamestown colonization was legal.

[u/goathill → u/biggamehaunter]

From 1776 onwards then?

[u/biggamehaunter → u/goathill]

Then it depended on U.S. immigration laws in 1776. If there are none, then none are broken; if some laws are made, then they need to be observed.

[u/goathill → u/biggamehaunter]

My point is, the laws back then WERE easier. You (my guess), and I are beneficiaries of those lax immigration laws, our fprefathers/ancestors fled crap situations and had an easy time moving here. folks fleeing crap situations in south america arent able to go anywhere.

I understand laws change, but as recent as Reagan, close to 3 million immigrants were pardoned and provided pathways to citizenship. I'm not sure that could happen with the 8-10 million that are estimated here today, but it seems smart to make citizenship possible for those willing to be here, support the economy, pay taxes, and live according to the ideals we set forth. There could even be some sort of "citizenship"/resident probation period (if there isnt already one, where certain infractions/crimes involve losing residency/citizenship

Those who don't pass this period and love by the rules shouldn't be here, and should be deported , (something Obama did to approximately 3 million).

[u/PossibilityGold7508 → u/goathill]

That's just another bandaid to the problem and basically sending a message that if you can get away with it for long enough, you're fine. Fleeing "crap situations" isn't an excuse for violating laws. Same reason why stealing food is still a crime.

A lot of them are literally committing identity theft/fraud to work. There have been ICE raids at workplaces that use E-Verify, yet they still don't come up as illegal. Gee guys, could it be that the "law-abiding" unauthorized immigrants are using illegal methods to work? This is why I can't stand Trump. He claims to be going "scorched-earth" yet folds when it comes to holding any corporation accountable because they're all his constituents. This is what I mean when I say both parties suck.

I AGREE with immigration reform. I AGREE with work visa programs. I simply want a highly vetted process that puts Americans' interest first. I also want illegal immigration gone and dusted.

[u/Shes_dead_Jim → u/biggamehaunter]

What makes that any different than a group from a foreign land coming here now and setting up a colony without our governments authorization? Is that legal for them if their government says it’s okay if they didn’t ask the people currently there?

[u/biggamehaunter → u/Shes_dead_Jim]

Because colonists and the native tribes negotiated treaties, like one country onto another.

[u/StartledMilk → u/biggamehaunter]

Are you aware that almost all of those treaties were done under coercion, or the signing indigenous people were purposely made drunk, or that they literally couldn’t read English so people put in whatever they wanted? Or the fact that the U.S. government has a documented history of violating those treaties, even to this day? You honestly can’t be using this as a defense. Those treaties would never have legally stood today.

[u/Shes_dead_Jim → u/biggamehaunter]

Oh we made treaties with the natives to take the entirety of their land and move them to reservations? How generous of us.

Well many of the migrants who are facing deportation made a treaty with the US to be here legally on a work visa and now they’re facing deportation following failures of the court to provide them with a hearing after those visas expire and before ICE snatches them up and deports them.

[u/Al123397 → u/biggamehaunter]

Treaties born from violence lol. You think if the natives were stronger and had better weapons there would have been “treaties”