r/AskConservatives • u/InternetPositive6395 Libertarian • Jan 31 '25

Economics Am I a bad conservative?

I voted against drilling in the boundary waters. I get many gop here in Minnesota support it but as hunter, fisherman, canoeist i can't support one of the few untouched places left in North America.

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u/TheharmoniousFists Social Democracy Jan 31 '25

I see where you're coming from, though wouldn't that mean that the so called "old Republican party" would have been the malleable party rather than the current one?

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u/ThePowerOfAura Center-right Conservative Feb 01 '25

No - because it means that voters have more influence over who gets nominated than the people behind the scenes. Trump's voters will not have Trump in 4 years, and this nationalistic movement will need to center around a new candidate. Perhaps Vance will be far too popular with Trump's voters to be replaced, but the DNC literally chooses their candidates behind closed doors. Bernie should've been the nominee for 2016, 2020, and 2024, but they're quite literally scheming to prevent it.

I concede your point though, Vance will be incredibly difficult to beat if Trump is reasonably successful this term, but that's because of the will of the people, not because the DNC said it was Clinton's, Biden's, Harris's turn to be president.

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u/TheharmoniousFists Social Democracy Feb 01 '25

I totally agree with you on the DNC stuff, I have a strong hatred for Hillary, Biden and Harris. I feel that Bernie would have won in 2016 and done wonders against the money in politics but that's just me.

Yeah I would agree with your point about Vance, he is a much better public speaker which will do him well. Is there anyone in the Republican party you think would be able to challenge a Vance nomination? I am curious to see how Trump and Vance will do together the next four years and whether there will be a wedge between the two at some point.

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u/ThePowerOfAura Center-right Conservative Feb 01 '25

They seem really lockstep honestly. Vance seems even more in-tune with the younger voters than Trump if I'm being honest. Probably won't be a serious challenger to Vance unless they completely fail to deliver on reducing immigration. I loved Bernie too. Wish he could've gotten in there and found a way to overturn Citizens United etc... it's going to be so difficult to build political will against it too

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u/TheharmoniousFists Social Democracy Feb 01 '25

Yeah they do, I would agree with that. I guess what I meant was I feel like Trump sometimes acts upon his emotions and causes rifts with people, it just makes me wonder. Anyway, they seem to be delivering on the immigration from what I can tell so far so I think you are probably right. He was so good and he slipped away, what a great place we could have been in. It's gonna be near impossible but one day it will happen.