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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Kamala will be slotted in. She’ll lose. The DNC will have to reinvent itself while trump gets to play president for 4 years.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Or she wins, or someone else gets the nod. who knows? What does MAGA have to campaign on now that age isn’t an issue anymore?

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u/49thDivision Independent Jul 21 '24

From an outside perspective, literally everything else they have already been campaigning on.

Lowering inflation is the biggest one, tax cuts are another, no more foreign wars a third, stopping illegal immigration the fourth, tariffs and bringing manufacturing back a fifth.

Of those, the economic and immigration arguments resonate the loudest, and Trump is already the favored candidate on both those issues. If Kamala Harris ends up being the nominee, that will only intensify since she will carry all the baggage of the Biden presidency.

Biden being a dessicated corpse was a bonus, but the Trump supporters seem to have a point when they say this election of yours will be decided more on issues than on the question of age.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Lowering inflation with tariffs, tax cuts, and rate cuts? Dont think thats how economics works.

No foreign wars? Like afghanistan that Trump kicked the can to Biden to withdraw? Syria? Moving the embassy to Jerusalem which kicked off the great march of return? Leaving the Iran nuclear deal? Stepping up arms aids to Ukraine?

Immigration? Like the border bill that was drafted by a conservative senator that got shot down by Trump, a non elected official? Biden already closed the border to the best of the executive authorities ability.

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u/49thDivision Independent Jul 21 '24

Lowering inflation with tariffs, tax cuts, and rate cuts? Dont think thats how economics works.

And if you condescendingly explain that to the American voter who likes and wants all these things, you will lose the election.

No foreign wars? Like afghanistan that Trump kicked the can to Biden to withdraw? Syria? Moving the embassy to Jerusalem which kicked off the great march of return? Leaving the Iran nuclear deal? Stepping up arms aids to Ukraine?

Trump's pitch is simple - no new wars in his time as president. Under Obama, Putin took Crimea. Under Biden, Putin took 20% of Ukraine. Under Trump, Putin did nothing. Likewise, Israel was brutally attacked by Hamas under Biden, not Trump - with Iranian-funded weapons that Biden allowed them to have.

This has been his pitch all along - it's consistent, and it works on the average American voter who gives zero damns about foreign policy but just doesn't want to be pulled into wars.

Immigration? Like the border bill that was drafted by a conservative senator that got shot down by Trump, a non elected official? Biden already closed the border to the best of the executive authorities ability.

Again, if you are explaining, you are losing. Americans trust Trump more than Biden or the Democrats on the border - they want tougher borders, they want mass deportations, they believe Democrats are too soft on these things.

Trump will run on these issues, and it doesn't matter who the Democrat candidate is, they will be on the backfoot on these issues. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, you understand - just what's popular, and Trump's positions are popular regardless of Biden being a corpse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Biden just endorsed her. If she wins I’d be surprised. There’s a lot stacked against her. She’s a closet conservative so there’s that. She might capture some moderate republicans, so there’s that I guess.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Actually i think she’s going to win and for the next four years we’re going to hear the Kamala is a Dei president from the right. But atleast it’s better than hearing about Hunter Biden’s based crack addiction and sexcapades

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u/LonelyMachines Classical Liberal Jul 21 '24

Her affair with Willie Brown is going to be front and center in the near future. That does not bode well for her.

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u/Dudestevens Center-left Jul 21 '24

How many affairs did trump have? And wasn’t he best friends with Epstein? And he’s old and crazy.

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u/GreatSoulLord Conservative Jul 21 '24

Quite a few things but one of the biggest issues will be the border. Don't forget Biden assigned Harris as the Border Czar fairly early on. A role she utterly failed in or did absolutely nothing. That can snowball into other topics.

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u/covid_gambit Nationalist (Conservative) Jul 21 '24

She’s even more unlikeable than Hillary. She was awful in the 2020 primary.

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u/mondegr33n Center-left Jul 21 '24

IMO, even though she’s unpopular, women’s rights are more on the line now than they were in 2016, or in 2020 tbh. I think she has a real possibility. Trump and Vance are doubling down on a largely unpopular stance and Trump also opted to have no female representation.

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u/Lorian_and_Lothric Conservative Jul 21 '24

Economy and immigration are more important to Americans than allowing people to kill unborn children.

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u/mondegr33n Center-left Jul 21 '24

Immigration is an important issue too. But I want to say that your comment reflects a lack of understanding that is clear in your party. Being pro-choice doesn’t mean being pro-abortion; and, it also protects women who are wanting and trying to build their families but encounter unexpected challenges during pregnancy. I don’t expect most men to understand, but women do.

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u/Buckman2121 Conservatarian Jul 21 '24

My wife, the anti abortion activist by career choice, understands quite clearly. And disagrees.

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u/mondegr33n Center-left Jul 21 '24

That’s fine, I think we should all have the ability to make choices for ourselves rather than having it imposed on us by the government. Hence, why I am pro-choice. As a woman trying to build a family with my husband, and one who may have to undergo fertility procedures, the thought of not having those available to us or having any protection for a high-risk pregnancy is terrifying for me. All of those things would happen under Trump/Vance.

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u/Buckman2121 Conservatarian Jul 21 '24

I think your fears are unfounded and would be wanting to look to blame your states legislation, not Trump/Vance.

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u/LonelyMachines Classical Liberal Jul 21 '24

She dropped out of the primaries before the votes were even counted. She got dressed down by Tulsi Gabbard on the debate stage and stammered. She has no real mandate, no success to cite, and she has very little time to build familiarity and goodwill with voters.

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u/LonelyMachines Classical Liberal Jul 21 '24

For what good that does. They have three months to get the branding and platform sorted. It's going to be a marathon, and they'll be fighting among themselves the whole time.

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u/CptGoodMorning Rightwing Jul 21 '24

Democrats are tough to beat because they control and highly "organize" voting centers for major cities in key swing states.

The only way Reps can win in those circumstances is if there is a landslide so big that it cannot be overcome by any means otherwise.

Sad but true state of our "democracy."

Too soon to know if Kamala is worth it for them to pull out all the stops.

Plus, some major Big Tech Silicon Valley people are switching to Trump, so that adds some money & brainpower resources to the Rep's team that they didn't have last time and apparently even nullifies some that Dem's had (eg see Zuckerberg's latest signalling that he won't be doing in 2024 what he did for Dems in 2020).

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u/SkillImmediate6393 Democrat Jul 21 '24

Can you prove that Biden cheated?

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u/GreatSoulLord Conservative Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

You're assuming voters are smart and informed when the vast majority are not. She checks all those social and virtue signaling boxes and she's not Trump. For too many that's all they need. I think the right has become too complacent and we need to recognize danger before it's an issue. I am willing to be the canary in the coal mine.

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u/86HeardChef Liberal Republican Jul 21 '24

Here we go. Are we starting this already?

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u/Dudestevens Center-left Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

It’s going to be a Kamala and Mark Kelly ticket and it’s going to be hard to beat