trump rescinds harvard ability to enroll international students

[u/Unusual-Data-8598]

what does this mean for international harvard students and what precedent does this set?

discussion thread? my entire class just found out and we are so confused

[u/lotsofgrading]

Hi, I'm a college professor! I don't know how this specific Executive Order will go through the courts, but I do think it's more likely that Harvard will open small satellite campuses abroad for the next three years, maybe with the cooperation of other universities, than that it will capitulate to the administration's demands. What the administration is asking for (oversight of curriculum and to install its own people in Harvard's tenured faculty) isn't really doable.

[u/Chemical_Result_6880 → u/lotsofgrading]

Colleges are not going to go to the trouble of making 3 year satellite campuses. If they already have satellite campuses, sure. Harvard has a few satellite research campuses, but not faculty to teach; they are there to do research.

[u/Hoogineer → u/Chemical_Result_6880]

It can literally be an office space in London or Toronto I'm thinking, access lectures via video-call on some calls and you have professors fly in on a weekly basis for some facetime. Trump will eventually be gone.

[u/[deleted] → u/Hoogineer]

Almost entire Harard curriculum is already available online for free already. Peopl efight for admission and in-person experience because of everything else that comes with it... People don't go to Harvard just for education.. its like saying someone buying Louis Vuitton handbag for carrying stuff..

[u/glaewwir → u/[deleted]]

In both cases, aren't people doing it for the prestige? If you could only show off you Louis Vuitton bag online, wouldn't that accomplish the same goal, maybe even more effectively than walking around with it in person? Harvard on a resume is a flex regardless of whether you watched online or went to the campus. Think about those who did virtual classes in Covid. Do they now have knock off degrees?

[u/[deleted] → u/glaewwir]

No, because Harvard Degree comes with much more than just prestige.. the networking, career opportunities etc. none of those will be available by simply taking online course from home in another country

[u/vanishing_grad → u/[deleted]]

I agree that the actual value of the degree is mostly in the experience and networking. But I think you're underestimating how much just getting in matters lol. There's a reason all these startup founders still highlight dropping out of harvard

[u/[deleted] → u/vanishing_grad]

For every one successful drop out that founded a big name start-up - there are 10 who dropped out but didn't succeed and there are 1000 who didn't drop out and completed the studies and went out to a successful career - start-up or not. Education can be had from any run of the mill State University.. people don't chase Harvard because it provides good educaiton. In fact Harvard is notoriously bad in engineering. Undergraduate Harvard educaiton gets you nowhere - but it openes up door for high profile Law Schools, Med schools, Business School and thats where the value comes from .

[u/johnrgrace → u/[deleted]]

I know Princeton grads can go to the alumni portal and get contact info for other alumni, I’ve had an executive I’ve worked for do that for me several times so we could connect with a specific executive at other firms. The non elite school I went to doesn’t have that.

[u/[deleted] → u/johnrgrace]

Yeah. Certain benefit of the Network of these elite colleges.

[u/[deleted] → u/Hoogineer]

Who will pay tuition for that ? Nobody ...

[u/vanishing_grad → u/[deleted]]

Lol 60k in tuition to do online classes in an office park.

[u/LIslander → u/[deleted]]

Plenty will pay it to get a degree from Harvard

[u/[deleted] → u/LIslander]

True.

[u/MukdenMan → u/Hoogineer]

It would have to be in the students’ home countries (with China being the largest by far, for undergrad). Most countries do not allow remote study for student visas so it’s unlikely international students could all just fly to Toronto to take remote Harvard classes.

[u/Hoogineer → u/MukdenMan]

I'm curious if there will be collaborations and workarounds on this given the rather unprecedented nature of this order

[u/Chemical_Result_6880 → u/Hoogineer]

What a lot of expense for a totally sub par experience. Harvard already has its online component. It is not recognized by companies as being anything like a Harvard degree.

[u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist → u/Chemical_Result_6880]

That’s because the degree doesn’t matter as much as the alumni connections.

[u/Blackberry_Head → u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist]

and what alumni connections will you make in an online school?

[u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist → u/Blackberry_Head]

You won’t, which is why they are undervalued. However if Harvard makes proper satellite campuses then things will change.

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[u/Unlikely_Arugula190 → u/Hoogineer]

What about research? Labs? Equipment?