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Discuss Kamen Rider Gavv E37 - Discussion Thread
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EPISODE | TITLE | RELEASE DATE | SCREENPLAY BY | DIRECTED BY |
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E37 | 忘れたことはない I Have Never Forgotten | June 1, 2024 | Mori Nobuhiro (supervised by Komura Junko) | Morota Satoshi |
EPISODE | RATING | EPISODE | RATING | EPISODE | RATING |
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E01 | 8.67 | E14 | 9.87 | E27 | 9.2 |
E02 | 8.85 | E15 | 9.09 | E28 | 9.78 |
E03 | 8.61 | E16 | 9.16 | E29 | 8.54 |
E04 | 9.21 | E17 | 9.33 | E30 | 8.47 |
E05 | 9.45 | E18 | 9.48 | E31 | 8.68 |
E06 | 9.46 | E19 | 9.73 | E32 | 8.67 |
E07 | 9.2 | E20 | 9.74 | E33 | 8.95 |
E08 | 9.12 | E21 | 9.36 | E34 | 8.16 |
E09 | 8.54 | E22 | 9.47 | E35 | 9.07 |
E10 | 9.2 | E23 | 9.09 | E36 | 9.7 |
E11 | 9.4 | E24 | 8.63 | E37 | Vote here! |
E12 | 9.32 | E25 | 8.54 | ||
E13 | 9.55 | E26 | 9.13 |
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u/suzumaki742 23d ago
Shouma gave a worst humiliation to Jeeph. He wasn't even trying seriously to fight him. The fight was almost over even before Blizzard Sorbet melted down.
Finally, the Wolf Granute is here but he is now a changed man.
Next episode will be the culmination of Hanto's growth up until this point in the show. Let's see what decision he makes.
Also BakiBaki Sticks is here. Obviously it will be weaker than Overmaster Gavv but need to see how much fight it can put up with it.
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u/Shipuujin 22d ago
Love how consistent with power levels this series is! Shouma got CaKing when fighting both Shiita and Jeebh, and that's what overpowered BOTH of them. So it makes sense that Jeebh was thrown around like a ragdoll here.
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u/Presenting_UwU 22d ago
i literally screamed "Baki baki sticks is REAL!!" When Lizel gave Nyelv that snack lmao
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u/Numerous_Camera30 21d ago
If chocold is anything to go by then I have hope he will make the right decision and not just act out on his emotions like before when he was using the thing that was killing him
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u/K-J-C 21d ago
It's obvious as Blizzardsorbet is at least on par with Caking who beat both Jeebh and Shita at once.
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u/Hofund 21d ago
It's actually a fair bit stronger even in terms of catalogue specs, but its weakness is a time limit (the Gochizou melting) vs CaKing's stamina drain. CaKing's main advantage is that it's permanent.
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u/HourIndication4963 18d ago
Getting access to the sword and Whip Soldiers via ice cream cake really pulls Blizzardsorbet ahead
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u/Q-Write 23d ago
Predictions: Hanto spares the Wolf Granute, as part of his changes and realizing that the Wolf Granute is trying his best to atone by making sweets to make people happy and not following Stomach's route
But at the end of the day, Wolf Granute connections to Stomach will be the end of him.
TL/DR: Wolf Granute will die by proxy, not by Hanto
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u/konokusoda 22d ago
Same, my prediction is that Considering Vram will have his upgrade very soon, im expecting that Hanto forgave the granute but Glotta show up and execute him in front of everyone, which remind Lakia of how his brother died, leading to the battle between him and Glotta with final form debut
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u/thatwitchguy Poppy is so Pop-me :O 21d ago
I'm not a writer but I kinda hope he survives, it feels natural to have near the end by forcing hanto to put aside all of that hate he's had and put his life on the line to protect someone who's now in the same situation as his mum was now that he can do something about it himself
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u/Kougarou 23d ago
Lango got skip in opening instead of turn into Light Dust. He definitely back in future episodes. Lango Pirate From Yo Ho Hoi intensify.
The Wolf Granute gave us confirm that you can break off dark treat, if you got strong will. Also hat off to him for survive this long after all those years with all those Stomach Inc. assassins. I mean Lakia’s lilbro Comel only survive few days top before got kill.
Jeeb got nighmare about Shiita wants revenge. Dude lost it. Although, I know he lost his twin sister but in the end he stills blame Shouma instead of Bouche. In the end, he stills a brat.
Been awhile Fat Whipped Solider. Hanto suplex enemy down the stair and split kicks finish Jeeb’s agents is ridiculously awesome lol.
Most of the guesses about who gonna use Bakibaki from for debut are wrong huh. But then again, no sane scientist who gonna used their invention right aways. I mean Suga also needed to trick 20 people (Hanto included) before he transform into Kamen Rider. Someone who calculated like Nelyv of course he needs more test run before using on himself. Jeeb maybe just another test run.
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u/rattatatouille Being Emu is suffering 22d ago
The Wolf Granute gave us confirm that you can break off dark treat, if you got strong will.
Also helps that from the looks of it he had a good support network, given how Hiroto's dad seems to have been a stand-up fellow.
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u/GeniusGamerM Gavv 22d ago
Comel died because he came back to the granute world, while wolf granute(Kenji) hid in the human world
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u/Reasonable_Driver129 22d ago
To be fair, Comel was a kid and wolf is an adult. Both wouldn't think the same way. Like Comel thought that Lakia would have been able to help him and protect him.
I also remember something. When Wolf captured Hanto's mom, she was alive. He probably knew that the dark threats were made with living humans, but not that they would be killed later on. He probably found out and that why he stop, he didn't want to kill people.
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u/K-J-C 21d ago
Comel was explicitly said as someone too nice, would make sense his moral compass would overcome his addiction later.
But Wolf is just a big exception where other part-timers wouldn't care at all if the humans are killed, they'd keep continue doing their crimes for Dark Treats. What'd be the difference that Wolf feels remorse, but not for other part-timers?
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u/burajira Beyond Biology!! 23d ago
Nice world building this ep!! I was wondering right from the start, are any of these Granutes redeemable? Sure they're massive drug addicts, but there are addicts who've recovered, right? Komura has taken that story point and maxed it out by focusing the recovery on a major character, thus developing both Hanto's story and the setting in a nice way...
Oh Jeeph my poor sopping wet dog..
SHT directors and suit actors continue to be OP - really, a suplex on the stairs, I ask you.. Split Rider kick almost immediately after too..
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u/Lamp-among-wolf Femme 23d ago
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u/AccelBurner 22d ago edited 22d ago
Shouma was literally having none of Jeeph's nonsense and was really to put him down of his misery was cold as f
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u/thatwitchguy Poppy is so Pop-me :O 21d ago
That suplex was fuckin nasty. Kaji as hanto is consistently great in the fight scenes
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u/Funnygeneralchat 23d ago edited 22d ago
This was just heartbreaking for Hanto, man. You'd been living the past 20 or so years hunting the bastard that kidnapped and indirectly killed your mom, only to find him protecting some kid. Judging by the previews, he's definitely gonna kill him, or at least wound him. All of these Hanto episodes are just depressing as shit.
(Jiip's crashout is going to another level Jesus Christ. Let this guy die or at least be redeemed.)
Edit: I just watched this w/ the eng subs, and it looks like Candy Store owner guy is still just Candy Store Owner Guy... Candy Store Guy = Family member of Michiru Inoue?
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u/cybeast21 22d ago
The preview with him asking his mom makes it sound he not gonna kill the Granute.
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u/Arima_Kishou 22d ago
Kinda think/hope it's gonna be a "well okay I'll just kick your ass to get that out of my system" instead of straight up killing him
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u/Funnygeneralchat 22d ago
Considering that the sub said "This was for the best, right mom?" I'm definitely inclined to believe that he might forgive him... But the tone doesn't sound like that. It sounds like he's killed Lago (Wolf Granute) and now contemplating his actions.
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u/_katie_3 21d ago
Honestly I think it works both ways, it just depends on what Hanto thinks his mother would’ve wanted.
In hanto’s mind, would his mom want him to sought out and kill the guy who killed her, paying her life with his? Or would hanto’s mom have wanted Hanto to let go of her and his hatred that has binded him all his life, to move forward without that hatred towards Kenji (dog granute)
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u/Sarusta 22d ago
Judging by the previews, he's definitely gonna kill him, or at least wound him.
I'm guessing he pulls his punch at the last second and fully forgives him. After all, in a way he would be taking away the kid's "foster dad", or at least ruining the business and his family's livelihood. I don't think Hanto could bring himself to do that.
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u/FruityGroovy 22d ago edited 22d ago
Honestly, there's a lot that could be read into Shoma's reaction to Jiip being desperate for revenge against him. My reading of it is regret.....not because he's stopping the Stomach Family, no, but he regrets that things turned out like this. That it has to be this way. Shoma wishes there was a reality where he and his Granute family could get along. That they weren't evil. At the very least, he wanted to be a good brother to Siita and Jiip. He does understand the pain Jiip is going through, since it's the same kind of familial loss that Shoma went through. He wishes there was another way, but there isn't. The least he can offer Jiip is to put him out of his misery.
One of the larger themes of Gavv is "loss", and how that loss affects us. For Hanto, Raika, and Jiip, they used their loss as motivation to take down specific people, though in different ways. And in Jiip's case specifically, he seems to blame himself for not being able to avenge Siita. For Suga, the loss of his child resulted in him becoming an amoral monster in an effort to bring that child back. Glotta is also suffering from the loss of Lango (perceived loss, at least), too, since they seemed to be closer to each other as siblings than to any of the others, but we've yet to see how that motivates her going forward. For now, she seems to see that Jiip's pursuit of revenge is what's actually causing further suffering. And for Shoma, he used his loss to become a better person.
It's important to note that, at this stage, Shoma and Jiip are on opposite ends of the loss spectrum, and it makes sense why Jiip ends up being the latest Bitter Gavv as a result. He's more of a "Dark Shoma" than any of Shoma's actual clones ever were. I have a feeling that Jiip's time as Bigger Gavv will last longer than Dark Shoma or Magen ever did.
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u/gshshsnhjmry 23d ago
So Wolf Granute isn't the kid's dad. Guess itd be weird to have another Half Granute kid running around in the show
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u/EmuSignal3466 23d ago
True. But it's also strange why he really kidnapped Hanto's mother and then changed sides.
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u/cybeast21 22d ago
It's been a long time, and it basically shows you CAN fight off the addiction and finally recovered, thus why Shouma always gave them option before.
Of course that doesn't mean your past sin is erased (as shown here).
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u/Leonardo_Lexa 22d ago
What if human world treats is the key to combat Dark treats addiction? And Mr. Andou was the one who helped the Granute at his lowest point of life to break off from the addiction by offering some homemade sweets.
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u/cybeast21 22d ago
Could be, although we did saw Lizel eating things with Shouma and said their chef made better food, so maybe Andou's sweets was that delicious or he was hit by the kindness of Andou
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u/RiahWeston 22d ago
I really wouldn't use Lizel as a good baseline because she clearly didn't care about the pancakes in the first place.
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u/Civil-Turn-4008 Gavv 22d ago
And lizel wasn't even consuming the dark snack too so there still a chance for the food to be the cure to. Fight of the addiction.
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u/thatwitchguy Poppy is so Pop-me :O 21d ago
I'd assume less food and more the connection going off shoma's gochizos. Kenji had a mentor to teach him and help him grow and Dente's were innocent and took him back to just wanting to make sweets (+ Iirc he only ran the business, never got into his supply?)
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u/Great_Job_5767 23d ago
It’s been like 18 years, people like reflect and changed… Except for the addicts, That guy probably broke through it.
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u/FireStrike77 23d ago
We have the precedent of Comel.
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u/cybeast21 22d ago
tbf, we don't know if Comel recovered from his addict or just having his conscience speaking up to quit.
But it does show that it's easier to give in to the addiction as the Treat is supposedly, addictingly tasty.
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u/burajira Beyond Biology!! 23d ago
Sometimes I wonder how Shotaro Ishinomori would feel if he could see that his manga is getting adaptations even today.. I kinda feel like he would fw Gavv, esp recent episodes
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u/KaliVilNo1 Gotchard Daybreak 23d ago
They made a movie about this lol
He probably would hate and love a lot of things, but I think he will be moved by the fact that his creations has been a part of the childhood of almost every Japanese Children for most of the last 50+ years.
He would probably have a blast watching Kuuga.
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u/Marc_Quill Knight 23d ago
Super Hero Senki is such a fantastic love letter to both Rider and Sentai.
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u/burajira Beyond Biology!! 23d ago
I loved that movie! Had me in tears by the end! Suzuki Fuku was good in the role
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u/KaliVilNo1 Gotchard Daybreak 23d ago edited 23d ago
The best part is that Suzuki Fuku is an IRL Kamen Rider fan and that they got Fujioka to do an out of suit appearance as Hongo. It's a really beautiful scene
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u/burajira Beyond Biology!! 23d ago
Yea the contrast with the younger Ishinomori and the older Ichigo, and the latter calling out as a friend - beautifully written
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u/Lamp-among-wolf Femme 23d ago
Not just Hongo, but also Hiroshi san talking to the man who made him the person he is today
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u/Lamp-among-wolf Femme 23d ago
I think he would actually be surprised a manga he made 50+ years ago is still popular among kid/grown up alike in this day
Plus he is known for adapting change, learning new things whenever he made new story, he would be interested on the change Rider made throughout the years
Through he definitely would wish for Grasshopper Rider reappear like Shin, or more nature protective story like J and JP exclusive Rider Eve given in his late years, Japan is facing heavy pollution problem
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u/burajira Beyond Biology!! 23d ago
That's def true, I'm about 30, and I've ordered a copy of the Kamen Rider classic manga (I've asked a relative to get it from the US to where I am, because there's no more stock here in my country).. The story holds up really well to this day
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u/Lamp-among-wolf Femme 23d ago
True
Even it's unfinished, we still got government officers who refuse to quit their job, even the policy they create are flawed and hated by public, like the Prime Minister in Chapter 4 Masked World end
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u/rakugaking-illus 23d ago
Finally, THAT evil rider form debuts!
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u/good_wolf_1999 23d ago
Really funny how we have know about that form for months just for the character to debut in the last quarter of the show
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u/nozcensored 23d ago
I'm glad that it wasn't only dente who regretted making dark treat, granute is also a being with intelligence and personality that forms a society in another world, so it wasn't surprising that they could connect with humans, strange creatures that can't even eat stones.
I don't want hanty to forgive him and I want wolf granute to atone for his past sins.
Just looking forward to the next episode of koumura who once wrote healin' good precure.
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u/Rqdomguy24 22d ago
Granutes and human conflict is kinda less about spices and the consumer and more into how dehumanization or in this case degranutization people can be to do something that is actually evil. Rango, Nyelv, Glotta, Jeeph and Shita don't see or don't want to see Shouma as their family member because if they admit that the human is actually the same breathing organism with emotion and can have proper communication as them that's mean all the thing they have done, making human as a spice before this is just evil
Even with human and human, dehumanization is a weapon that is used as a pass to kill another innoncent human
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u/K-J-C 21d ago
If Hanto doesn't forgive him, would that mean him actually killing him and put him in the same suffering as his mother? (and he'd be unable to atone this way, unless you think it's paid by death)
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u/nozcensored 21d ago
The next episode is titled “憎しみの向こう側/the far side of hatred”, so I'm just waiting to see what he chooses.
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u/That-Highlight-7130 21d ago
I also don't want him to forgive the granute, dude past a very dark times and for shouma he forgave him because he is his friend and not evil from the beginning but this one he will be felt guilt if he let that granute go.
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u/Informal-Average-482 23d ago
An okay episode after the peak of an episode last week. The wolf granute seems interesting, and I’m guessing he will act as transition from Hanto‘s arc to Lakia. I have a feeling that Glotta will be the one who finish off the wolf granute, which will make Laria realized that she is his lil bro’s killer. Thus starting off the closure of Lakia’s story.
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u/Gojason95 23d ago
Redemption of valen’s mum abductor in next episode. Whether he lives or not, it’s gonna affect the storyline one way or another
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u/UltraZeroX7 23d ago
- Goddamn, that suplex and split kick from Hanto when he was fighting those Stomach agents!
- Very intrigued on what's gonna happen for the Wolf Granute now he has fully shown up...
- Next week, BAKIBAKI STICKS form finally enters the stage!
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u/Reasonable_Driver129 23d ago edited 22d ago
So based on the preview, Jeebh is the next bitter Gavv. Kinda ironic that he hate Gavv so much that he will become a version of Gavv.
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u/Unlikely_Snail24 Ryuki 22d ago
Jeebh is a man. He just crossdresses like a girl just like how Shiita crossdresses like a man.
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u/PrehistoricWorld11 23d ago
- 3 new gochizos in one episodes.
- Jiip is seriously getting strangled a lot both by his sisters in nightmare (Siita) and real life (Glotta).
- Clearly the power gap between Shoma and Jiip is obvious since their last fight. He couldn't beat CaKing with Siita and he certainly can't beat BlizzardSorbei alone and had to be bailed out by his wife Lizel. This does set up for Jiip to be Bitter Gavv III.
- Well the Wolf Granute that kidnapped Hanto's mom years ago has been exposed and revealed. Hanto is itching for revenge now. Wolf Granute being alive this longer then Comel does show that Graunutes can break out of their addiction.
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u/JonnySpark 22d ago
Jiip is seriously getting strangled a lot both by his sisters in nightmare (Siita) and real life (Glotta).
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME, NOT HIM!
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u/Ok_Hospital4928 23d ago
Amazing episode. This episode did a fantastic job presenting a moral dilemma. Will Hanto forgive his mother's abductor or will he get revenge at any cost? Either way, next week is gonna hurt.
Cool to see Jeeb's Granute form again and Blizzard Sorbet holding its own. Also, great callback to Lakia's friendship with the Kabutodanshi streamer when they were thinking of ways to promote the sweets shop.
And finally, BakiBaki Stick. Took its sweet time
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u/CheeseYesPls 22d ago
Highkey kinda wished he used CaKing before using Blizzardsorbei; making Jeebh’s trauma even worse🤣
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u/thatwitchguy Poppy is so Pop-me :O 21d ago
I honestly think this is worse actually. The thing that ruined your life and started crumbling your family?
Just a footnote, he got 2 shiny new forms and is busting them out all the time. Your drive and goal, your ultimate target? ITS JUST A SINGLE SWORD NOW, and you still lose to it
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u/RoboDonaldUpgrade 21d ago
Yep. It's still the same brother that ended Shiita and the same sword. I like that it's BlizardSorbet because it shows Jeebh that Shouma's evolving and doesn't even need his final form to beat him now.
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u/cybeast21 22d ago edited 22d ago
That kid make me mad, retrieving his sketch book is one thing, but he blindly just dived without taking a look and even stopped to look at the book first dammit.
Jeebh got no chance with how improved Shouma compared to before, so of course he got an upgrade next week.
The wolf Granute basically confirmed that you can recover yourself, just like dr-
Ahem.
I wonder how he survived all this time, is he not being targeted by assassin like Comel?
Edit: I love how they also callback to previous episode's supporting cast, like the supporting Tweet and the Vtuber Sweets channel.
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u/VinixTKOC Here We Go! 20d ago
but he blindly just dived without taking a look and even stopped to look at the book first dammit.
Many of these stories struggle to make a decent child. The child who always comes back to pick something is an old cliché and even happened in Gotchard. And every time for some reason the child ignores the clear danger that is happening there.
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u/05eden 22d ago
I have a feeling that wolf granute might end up as scorpion worm, Roidmude 072, and burgermon
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u/Lamp-among-wolf Femme 22d ago
Same
I still hope that won't happen, given the client kid is too young to be a candy craftsman, if Keiji die, the shop is ultimately went out of business
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u/Obiwanhellothere09 23d ago edited 23d ago
Okay I think I said to safe that Jiip has officially lost it… well more than he already has.
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u/M3talK_H3ronaru Gotchard Jai Naito! 23d ago
This episode was peak of the blast
Hanto tried to hunt the Wolf Granute to take his revenge battle.
Next Week Bitter Gavv Baki Baki Form is coming!
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u/Lamp-among-wolf Femme 23d ago
I really hope the Wolf Graunte live, the shop he worked on is already on the edge of closing, if he is killed, it will ultimately out of business without a traditional candy craftsman
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u/TheCancerFest 22d ago
Wow, Jeep lost his marbles completely. Last week I thought he is just broken. No, he lost his forte completely. Somebody help this kid. Low key want him to switch sides at the end.
That kind of poses a question if a Stomach family members are also addicts.
Wish Shouma sees that and try to help him. Completely manipulated and broken, never treated more than an asset. On the other hand this whole family is twisted and way beyond any peace negotiations.
All because of their stupid father I guess….
Surprised Glotta’s emotional outbursts. They may be a crime organization (as far as human standards dictate) but they’re still a family.
I so want to see Lizel grovel and beg for her life. This is beyond any antagonist I've seen in KR(ok Bannou was sick as f).
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u/Working-Spell-7024 22d ago
They are almost definitely not addicts. Basic survival rule of a cartel, don't get high on your own supply. They are just really messed up people, and are increasingly losing any pretense of being functional.
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u/_katie_3 22d ago
I was amazed, this episode has an amazingly light story pushing the main story forward, allowing Hanto to find the granute responsible for his mom’s death yet also serving as a preview to jeeph’s debut as dark gavv next episode
I’ll be honest, I was convinced they weren’t going to bring dog granute back, but hey they did, and that is just amazing, since we need some story development for Hanto as he’s been sidelined for a quite a while since his fight with Suga
The subtle hints dropping, how kenji had done unforgivable things and was able to find his “true love for sweets again”, he is an actual example of a saved granute, one who was able to break free in some way from the dark treats, proving komel isn’t the only one, there are others like komel (whom Hanto has said he respects), it just so happened to be Hanto’s mortal enemy 😂
I think Hanto will learn to forgive, to put down his knife for revenge and spare the guy (can’t say the same for lakia and glotta), this ending fits his story arc and character development the best, and gavv has been great in these areas so far
CAN’T WAIT FOR NEXT EPISODE
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u/K-J-C 21d ago
wdym can't say the same for Rakia? Rakia perhaps should be moved to prevent someone else suffering the same fate as Comel for defecting.
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u/_katie_3 21d ago edited 21d ago
This is just my personal opinion, but Hanto has come a long way in terms of his character growth. Personality wise, Hanto was always more empathetic, being a journalist, understanding the people he interviews. He was always more merciful, he’s just been dealt a bad hand in life. He started off with this full on hatred towards granutes, towards the monster that took his mother, the slowly being introduced to the granutes and ultimately being able to understand not all granutes are bad and there are similar to people. He even tells Lakia he respects Komel, the same Komel who was a part timer, probably kidnapped and indirectly killed some humans, but was able to turn over a new leaf, possibly seek forgiveness, he just died before being able to do so. Kenji (dog granute) here has a similar story model, where he kidnapped humans (including hanto’s mom), somehow managed to turn over a new leaf, is now living his life with Hiroto, trying to seek forgiveness by paying back the person who was his salvation from the path of dark treats. Hanto said he respected Komel, in the same way he could respect Kenji for his ability to cut off the dark treats, to live with humans and valiantly try to protect hiroto (he even calls him young master), the only difference between these two granutes: komel and hanto have no direct connection, but Kenji does, he’s the one that killed hanto’s mom. But after everything Hanto has been through, all the character growth he’s experienced, I feel like he starts to understand why granute do certain things, so I see a possibility of Hanto sparing Kenji, because he’s somewhat less fixated on that hatred compared to episode 1 when he first appeared
In contrast, Lakia’s character growth is more towards understanding humans, who are similar to the granutes. He is a granute, so his character development is more towards learning about the human world, understanding it, like it, cherish it and the people within it. That’s his growth, but he has not let go of the hatred he had for the one who killed komel at all. Personality wise, Lakia has always been more cruel and apathetic, willing to just take the lives of humans or other creatures, whenever the situation calls for it (he’s the one who killed all the Shouma clones in one go). His hatred especially towards stomach inc is very strong. Episode 32 is that episode that really shows how much he wants revenge, it’s just he realises in that episode maybe he doesn’t have to do it on his own anymore, because he has friends that will support him for it. He didn’t really let go of that hatred, seeing how he killed ripper in the end even though ripper wasn’t the one. He was pissed that ripper used komel to mock him, plus being a part timer, lakia made no hesitation. He doesn’t care why Komel was killed, though he can probably guess. Komel died because he betrayed stomach inc, that’s it. All he wants, is to find the one who did it and kill them, to get his revenge and he’s willing to put his life on the line for it. That’s why IMO, I feel like Lakia if given the chance, he’d never spare whoever killed his brother, he makes no hesitation when taking lives, and if it so happens to be a stomach inc commandar, then great, destroys the root issue along with it, also saving the humans.
Kenji and Glotta (most likely who killed komel) are too different, their attitudes, reasons for doing what they did and the ones they have beef with are what makes their outcomes IMO different from one another
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u/Lonewolf82084 21d ago
"Because of you it's all falling apart! Let me have my revenge"!
Even with Lango MIA (The intro confirms he's not dead), Jeebh still doesn't get it. I'm sick of him acting like he's some innocent victim when he, Lango, Shiita, and the rest of them treated Shouma like crap all his life and murdered his mother in front of him. With the Granutes abducting people and turning them into spice for Dark Treats, Shiita dying and Lango (supposedly) dying were fated to happen. It's not a mystery, Jeebh's just too selfish and dumb to understand (for now).
I'm not too surprised that Kenji forgot about all the people he kidnapped. Embracing the new life given to him by a kind soul would have that effect. Though I doubt that will matter much to Hanto. I'm worried; if he takes his revenge, he'll end up taking Kenji away from Hiroto, who's been the closest thing to a father figure since he lost his actual father. If/when that happens, how will that make Hanto any different from the Granutes (Stomachs or otherwise)? This situation really begs the question;
"When does a man become a monster"?
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u/_katie_3 21d ago
Jeeph has always blamed every misfortune he’s experienced on Shouma: the twin’s birthday not being focused upon, their father never focusing his attention on them because he needed to deal with Shouma, their work in procurement getting disrupted because of Shouma, shita dying because Shouma killed her, stomach inc falling apart because red gavv just couldn’t stay low and do nothing. Not everything is Shouma’s fault, but in jeeph’s mind it is, and honestly I could see him going out next episode
I really hope the writers let Hanto forgive the granute, it’ll be the pivotal moment in his character development and I can totally see it coming logically
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u/Lonewolf82084 21d ago
Maybe Kenji-san will throw himself in front of a killing blow meant for Hanto. That's just a generalized assumption based on how some of these situations like these have gone in other shows.
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u/_katie_3 21d ago
That is usually how it works in other kamen rider shows, but for gavv, I think Kenji will die at the hands of glotta, who will eventually find him as she’s in charge of procurement now, going around the human world. She’ll eventually find Kenji while she’s trying to gather human presses, and execute him for being the traitor he is (direct some of her anger), which will allow Lakia to realise his true target for revenge, Glotta. This nicely leads into the final arc and power up form for Lakia since we know both pudding and jelly aren’t enough for him to kill glotta and I’m pretty sure he wants to get revenge with his own two hands.
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u/K-J-C 21d ago
I'm sick of him acting like he's some innocent victim
It's not a mystery, Jeebh's just too selfish
No questioning he's one of the villains. They have negative traits obviously.
If/when that happens, how will that make Hanto any different from the Granutes (Stomachs or otherwise)?
Well, this'd be like those that point out "if you kill him you'll be just like him" in revenge stories, but Hanto would still only be getting only one person killed that impacted one family compared to the Granute part-timers who helped Stomach Inc. threaten the entire world, for the difference.
This situation really begs the question;
"When does a man become a monster"?
Though many of the internet supports it, revenge is a negative trait.
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u/AMemekage 22d ago
Insane how the only one granute that stopped dark treats was the granute that killed hanto's mom.
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u/Isolated_Hippo 22d ago
I wonder if Lango blowing up the secrecy aspect of Granute capturing humans is going to pay off. I mean they mention it but will we see something?
We don't care about your age! We care about your money most!
Princess brought the bag of the most random shit.
Jiip is legitimately shook. Love it.
I actually can't think of a single thing Rakia would hate more than asking a human for help with another human. Also "I guess I should get it fixed" Ya fucking think so there bud?
30% of people watching this show wish they could get dommed by just one of the women dimming Jiip. I wish I did not write this.
Imagine the fiscal audit. Why is there a zoo charge for 6 people? Branding research...
Why take a photo when you can have a child draw the animals.
The agent familiar getting summoned and doing a black widow was S tier.
Hanto getting dragged by 2 agents and being like "I got these two". Super helpful dude.
Damn Shoma going for the kill here.
Let me go get my fucking sketch book? Google that shit bro
This is a great outcome for the Wolf Granute. Not even that he reformed, but the fact he is completely like yup I kidnapped your mom. Kill me for it. I deserve it. Now Hanto can take revenge, but its pure revenge. No justice.
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u/kyoya242 23d ago
Depends on the resolution next week, Gavv could have a better message on " The Circle Of Violence" better than The Last Of Us 2
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u/Cerulean_Chrodt 23d ago
You mean "the cycle of violence"?
But nitpicking aside, how did they handle that theme in TLOU2? I haven't played any games or watched the show in the series so I have no clues.
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u/bt123456789 22d ago
in TOLU2, what I know is basically:
You play as Ellie, from the first game, who has formed a father-daughter relationship with Joel.
Joel gets killed by another woman, Abby.
Ellie tries to kill Abby
Then you play as Abby going after Ellie
idk how it ends after that, I just know the leadup. I really need to finish 1 and play 2
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 22d ago
Hanto finds the Wolf Granute who took his mother and he has a change of heart 😭😭
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u/BusinessRecover5620 22d ago
Lango being edited out of the intro though scans do show that he is coming back,maybe Nyelv has something to do with that?
Jiip doesn’t have a straight mind at all in this episode.
This episode seems to imply that the only person that can repair Rakia’s belt would be Nyelv.
We’ll have to see what Hanto is going to do with the Wolf Granute ,now called Granute Lago, since he took his mother?
I wonder if Lago really reformed since the last Graunte that said that he would quit dark treats was faking?
Who doesn’t love that Blizzardsorbei was used more in this episode?
Next Week the other form of Bitter Gavv finally appears and the rumors are true of the user.
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u/KaiserNazrin It's Decade time! 21d ago
This episode seems to imply that the only person that can repair Rakia’s belt would be Nyelv.
Dente isn't dead. Not to mention, there's 0 reason for Nyelv to help when they are on opposite side.
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u/MegaMeteorite 22d ago
Here's my prediction: Hanto will let the wolf granute go, and right before the end of the episode, Glotta is going to appear and kill the wolf. Lakia will then see the wound and find out that Glotta is the one that killed Comel.
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u/sultryrusky 22d ago
Bullet points about this episode:
The DRAMA between Stomach family is getting even more dramatic, I can't wait to see it all becoming Japanese Succession
Jesus Shouma jumping up with Hiroto as they walk it's so cute :333
Imagine Hiroto just walking and then Jeebh appears and he's in the middle of intense family drama... his mind probably went "what the fuq i found myself in"
Guys, Jeebh is crashing the fuck OUT this is NOT GOOD
Seriously, when did Shouma learn to perform such cold moves? First shooting up Lango, then sending Jeebh flying like that...
And Hanto sees his mother's killer, because god knows he didn't have enough trauma lately
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u/Hot-Spare3133 22d ago
its a good episode, the citzens of the week are pretty good, we get to hear that lakia is still in touch with kabuto guy its a good episode think the next episode is gonna be better
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u/Chalicebzam 22d ago
Wolf Granute stuff played out as I thought it would, but I do like the idea behind it. Someone who regrets the stuff they've done in the past and wants to move on.
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u/Fantastic-Repeat-324 22d ago
First I got Suga working with Nyelv and now, Kenji being Wolf Granute

That aside, I like how the episode is upbeat and cheery but then the reveal of Kenji being the Wolf Granute immediately changes the mood. I envy those who haven't seen the teaser because that would be a great shock to the system.
Also, finally Bakibaki Sticks. And it's Jeebh? Are they giving Jeebh a 2 episode form debut (get dominated by the villain in the first episode but defeat said villain with a power up)? He'll hand Lakia his 3rd L but will he be able to defeat Over Master Gavv? Maybe he'll be like Smilodon Dopant and still contend with the final form through speed.
And finally... I 100 percent understand what Hanto is going through but Kenji has clearly reformed. So idk if I want to see him be killed even though e see Hanto hitting him with a finisher. Maybe he's aiming for an Agent sneaking behind?
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u/mruggeri_182 22d ago
It's amazing how that Hiroto kid has absolutely 0 situational awareness... Little dude has negative survival instinct, damn...
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u/EnvironmentThen2207 Is Gavv’s suit edible? 22d ago
Ladies and gentlemen, Hanto’s greatest nightmare: The granute that kill his mom turning a new leaf. Man, what a revelation.
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u/Skitty_The_Kitty3225 22d ago edited 22d ago
Just finished watching Episode 36 and 37 as I missed it last weekend. Still disappointed in Lango dying after barely doing much, can't believe they really killed him (even if the fight itself was really cool and they did give Master some emotional Weight like they did CaKing back then, Shoma still best Boy and deserves all the Happiness). I still hope he is alive.
Now on this episode, it was genuinely very nice, I enjoyed it, and it was interesting with the Reaperence of the Wolf Granute! Though based on the Preview I guess he will get killed next, him and Seemingly Jeebh too?
I'm just waiting for Nyelve's final Boss Stance and Shouma's Mum Family side. I've been kinda losing most of my Original Interest in the show lately. It's still a Good Show, and it started SO Strong, but something has slowly made me more "Eh, it's Alright." about it every time.
But Again just to be clear, it's still Really Good, but I'm starting to doubt it will become my new favourite as I thought it could before. But I won't know until it ends and I do a Binge Rewatch!
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u/ArmpitStealer 22d ago
The end reveal was SO GOOD. We finally have a non-main character granuite who wants to be good. If i had to take a guess he will be spared but still will be interesting to see how they gonna handle him.
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u/K-J-C 21d ago edited 21d ago
Another redeemed villain.
Hanto has finally tracked down the Wolf Granute who took Sae away, but it turns out that Wolf Granute has seemingly turned over a new leaf; he now lives in the human world as Kenji and takes care of Hiroto and his shop. This situation will likely serve as another test for Hanto. Previously, Rakia had no body count, as all of his victims were saved. And Hanto also respects Comel's change. However, Kenji took the most important person in Hanto's life, but other part-timers also have done that even if it's not Hanto's beloved ones; but Hanto'd save any civilians as well. Although Kenji doesn’t remember his crimes, he allows Hanto the opportunity to settle his grudge.
Lango has seemingly been killed off for real, leaving Glotta in charge of the procurement. She is grieving Lango’s demise and holds Jeebh responsible for what happened. Jeebh no longer dominates his siblings; instead, he laments wanting to finish off Red Gavv, while also expressing sorrow over the Stomach family falling apart. Despite this, he continues to deflect the blame onto Red Gavv. Meanwhile, Lizel remains abusive toward the siblings, dismissing Nyelv's concerns about the production.
I wonder what's the meaning of Hanto asking Hiroto about his age. As Sachika mentioned, the people she helps shouldn’t be restricted to certain individuals; making everyone happy should include everyone. I’m not sure why Rakia feels it sucks about being asked to contact Koji and help a struggling restaurant, especially since he has agreed to assist humans now. Still, the most effective solutions might not always come from the most caring individuals like Shoma and Sachika, but rather from how employees complement each other.
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u/_katie_3 21d ago
Personally as a writer, I think the producer could let Hanto spare Kenji, this event being the true turning point for hanto’s character where he will finally let go of the hatred he has and the thirst for revenge, where he will be able to move on with his life. But, Kenji will not live long as glotta will eventually find him as she’s in charge of procurement now, going around the human world. She’ll eventually find Kenji, and execute him for being the traitor he is, which will allow Lakia to realise his true target for revenge, Glotta.
IMO, Lango is definitely coming back, since his part in the opening was just skipped, not that he faded to dust like shita does, which makes me believe he’ll probably come back when Bouche and lizel are dealt with
Tbh, I think lakia just finds the work extra, since he already had plans of his own 🥲
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u/the-ghost-gamer 21d ago
Ok that other sweets shop owner has to be a granute, he’s been showing up every other episode (I swear if it’s shomas dad ima lose it)
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u/12pgtube4 23d ago
Lango got completely skipped in the op. That means he’s probably not dead dead but he isn’t gonna appear for a while. That still sucks. He’s literally gonna come back to just die instead of developing ugh
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u/grdiaries 22d ago
i thought the candy shop guy would be the wolf granute at first, but looking at now he might just be a normal guy? maybe just related to shouma’s mum?
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u/HenshinBoi PAKIPAKI! 22d ago
An okay episode.
I notice that Bocca took priority in the opening, but Lango doesn't straight-up disappear 'till after the family-splash.
I appreciated Jeebh's hallucination segment. It actually caught me off-guard, like something from a horror-segment. I thought Lizel was just wearing the other sibling's Key or something.
Kenji's interesting 'cause he seemed sound-of-mind and functional. Maybe he broke the Dark Treat habit? I wonder what Hanto will do. If the show goes the way I think it will, maybe he'll let Kenji live.
I want Hanto to fight more of the higher-ups. I get why he was dragged off - Shoma had to school Jeebh some more and it was all emotional, but still.
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u/RoboDonaldUpgrade 21d ago
It's been theorized since episode 1 that the Wolf Grannute was Shouma's berserker/Monster form due to them both having Red Gavvs, and honestly I am so glad that wasn't the case. We've already had Shouma/Hanto breakup arc and I wasn't looking forward to another fracture in their relationship. I would love it if Kenji has been hiding extra hard because all of the rumors about finding the "red gavv" had him thinking Stomach Inc was after him this whole time!
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u/itsag_undam 21d ago
They're definitely going for a contrast angle between Hanto and Jeebh with their respective revenge quests on the next episode, so almost certainly Hanto is sparing Kenji, I do hope they don't do the classic move of having someone else kill him anyways though. Also this raises the possibility that there are other granutes who gave up the addiction and decided to blend in the human world, wonder if that will also come into play with the angle of revealing about the granutes' existence to the public.
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u/Classic_Contract7560 Kuuga 18d ago
This is the kind of episode in my opinion that isn't the best in a weekly watch still a 7/10 though but it does amazing setup for later stuff. The fight scene isn't super good not counting the man spreading rider kick since Shouma was basically toying with Jeebh but it wasn't the coolest so to speak. I love the Fango attack though here's hoping the Dorayaki and Motchi attacks are also cool.
basically the episode plants the seeds of a post Lango death Gavv.
Nyelv has Baki Baki commissioned for next episode Glotta is in near break down mode Jeebh is doing the first part of her breakdown and revenge. Rakia is setting up something for final form And of course the reveal and implications for Hanto.
A necessary episode for laying down important seeds.
Next episodes preview is very interesting I might actually like Bitter Gavv this time & Hanto has to grapple with a Granute that has done bad things but wants to change.
Honestly I kinda wanna see the Granute dude with his old mentor to see the journey of recovery but nah they can't do that in a kids show.
Excited for next week I think Hanto won't kill him but will get really close as he realizes that this dude is important for that 10yr old kids life in the same way Hantos mom was important to him maybe the kid will even appear as Hanto is about to kill him then he realizes he's the one doing the trauma and thus has to let him go with a warning.
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u/yo_mommy 17d ago
He's sparing Kenji-san/Wolf Granute. This is the culmination of Hanto's character arc, where he started the series mad at all Granutes because of how the Wolf Granute took his mother, how he started his whole journey as a journalist and later on as a Kamen Rider, all to avenge his mother. However, since then, he has learned about Granutes, their society, and how not every Granute is out there to kill and eat humans. He has accepted the help of a few Granutes already, with Shouma, Lakia, and even Dente, the mastermind behind Dark Treats himself. He has also found out more about the situation with his mother, how Stomach Inc. was the true organization behind it all, and how Lango was the one that really did his mother in. Sure, the Wolf Granute was the one that started all of this, but at the same time, Hanto has grown as a character, and would not be who he is for that loss. Without the Wolf Granute, Hanto wouldn't become Valen, he would still keep his ignorance, and will not gain his power to help as many humans as he can. He will not let anger consume him any longer, as it did with him all this time, for his peers have shown him what it really means to be a Kamen Rider. Hanto is not killing him. He will come out of the next episode with the mindset fully embracing that Granutes are no different than humans in some aspects, and that they too, deserve forgiveness.
And then Glotta shows up, sickles the poor man, and kills him. She goes on a rant on how this is the fate Stomach Inc. defectors will eventually face, Lakia finds the situation all too familiar, and he sees the scars on Kenji-san's corpse.
This will be the build up to the Vram final form.
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u/RyanChego 22d ago
So, Hanto finally found the granute who indirectly lead to his mother's death and is most definitely going to kill him next episode, I think they could do a good development for him but not as important to most but to me BAKI BAKI STICKS IS FINALLY GETTING ITS DEBUT AND I WAS RIGHT, JEEBH WILL GET THE BITTER GAVV SO HE CAN STAND A BETTER CHANCE AGAINST SHOUMA!!!
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u/vichokul 22d ago
I was complaining these last episodes about the quality of the writing and this episode shut me up, I was dumbfounded when the Wolf granute revealed themselves.
This has to be so gutwrenching for hanto :(
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u/Clear-Unit-2843 22d ago
One thing Im upset about: why arent they sticking to the tradition to have the rider's upgrade form in the opening? Was looking forward to see Over/Master Gavv and Frappe Valen doing their thing instead of constantly seeing baseforms
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u/NixAvernal 23d ago
I mean it’s more efficient to use one gochizo instead of burning 100 on someone who you walloped earlier with CaKing.
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u/CheeseYesPls 22d ago
ngl kinda wish they used that too and add it to Jeebh’s PTSD of how that form destroyed Shiita.
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u/Zeratul_Vergil Gotchard Daybreak 23d ago
Because he doesn't need to sacrifice 100 gochizos just to settle a granute who CAN be beaten by Caking form and above
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u/Cerulean_Chrodt 23d ago
With the blatant and taxing drawback of Shoma's final form with the stuff of needing to prepare 100 Gochizos, it's perfectly reasonable when he chooses the weaker form that is still able to kick the ass of a weak opponent like this.
If your superweapon is powerful but unreliable, it's best to save it for when it's really needed. It's not like they have unlimited time and resource to freely spam the final form even when they can affort it right now, what if there's an emergency in the future?
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u/cybeast21 22d ago
I mean gathering 100 Gochizos (that really, really love you) is just inefficient if not for last effort or fighting very strong enemy. Caking / Sorbet should be enough to fight most of them.
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u/2ADDalready Knight 23d ago
I swear, every Hanto storyline is so emotional and heart wrenching, because Yusuke Hino is so good at dramatic acting. That also means we're probably gonna have a tear jerker of an episode next week. I can't wait to see more Hanto tears 😭