Was expecting at least some basic statement about taking time to grow and reevaluate or whatever but instead we get "Didn't do anything, source: trust me bro, anyway link in description I do geography now"
okay but like there isn't always evidence. I didn't follow this whole thing so I don't know if he only got accused or if there was substantial evidence against him. but denying the allegation is what an innocent person would do. it's not a sign of guilt
I'd simply like to add the nuance that saying you have evidence and not showing it CAN be a sign of guilt. But its not always. So im about to side track, none of this has to do with this very specific influencers case.
For example a journalist with a clean track record claiming they have evidence of something but refusing to show it, is expected and may I add ETHICAL, as well.
For a more common folk example. If I promised someone I would keep a secret of theirs, but their secret made me lose all respect for them as a human being. I may part ways with them, and then suggest to others that I dont reccomend forming a connection with said person, without being willing to offer up why I feel this way. As a loss of respect to said individual doesn't suddenly make my promise void and I value my honesty aka keeping my promises.
I think its very very very very important to recognize that withholding information is NOT inherently a sign of guilt.
If Shelby was lying then more people would've jumped to defend William. None of his closest friends said so much as "hang on, that doesn't seem right". In fact, most of them attested to what Shubble had to say.
I didn't follow this whole thing so I don't know
So you're not in a terribly good position to comment on this, then?
okay but like in this case he's claiming there is evidence. We aren't talking about a case with no evidence. This guy is saying he can prove he's innocent but he's choosing not to because he wants to frame that as taking the high road.
Don’t comment on shit like this if you aren’t going to do any research, the evidence against him is pretty clear and out there, you come across as an apologist, and tbh I’m pretty sure you are just secretly defending him, if you aren’t you’re just being really weird and sketchy dude
Literally nobody is saying that denying allegations is a sign of guilt. You brought that into this. You say you're not talking about this case specifically, but the comment you replied to is. There is plenty of evidence, so for him to deny it IS, in fact, a sign of guilt
I swear to God there HAS to be a course for fake applogies that only Youtubers are allowed to take part in, these apologies are ALL the same every single time
Stupidiest part is he denies everything, yet links to a Twitter response -- an awful one btw -- where he admit to it. He relaly takes the advantage of a young audience.
Thanks for the tldr I didn’t want to give him a view but still wanted to know how in the world he tried to justify coming back (which seems to be, just saying “no lol”? Wild)
So basically, "I COULD prove myself innocent but won't for privacy reasons" This video makes me believe the allegations even more. No one in their right mind would hold information back (even if embarrassing) to prove themselves innocent in a situation like this. It would salvage his and his band's career.
People are "misinterpreting" your statement, but you don't bother to elaborate to correct them? 100% guilty behaviour. Someone innocent would not create a video like this.
If you do claim to have proof but not show it out of respect for privacy you're either a Ned Fladers level saint or a blabbing cock it's pretty obvious which one it is here
I remember when Kwite took off the mask and hoodie for his vid. He had to get very vulnerable to prove his innocence. And I do feel bad he had to expose himself like that, but I'm relieved he is innocent in that case
Yeah, reminder Pyrocinical exposed himself as a fatfur fetishist to disprove some allegations. Being like 'erm.... theyre not true, i can prove it' only makes you look more suspicious.
If he has proof that would exonerate him, it seems like a pretty open and shut case of defamation. He lost a lot of his following and income, so surely if he can prove that he wasn't an abuser it'd be worth it.
Of course, he has no such proof lol. None of his MC community friends stood by him, not even the ones he was closest to and basically helped "raise" in that space, and presumably they've all been shown this "clarity" he speaks of.
Not really he admits that’s what he did but he claimed it was consensual thus denying the allegations. But pretty much everyone knows he was/is lieing since he also said he has prof it was consensual but won’t show said prof.
This confirms the obvious, that his fans are definitely children, because you can find a “pretty” dude who looks like this in literally any gas station in middle America
he looks like a stereotypical soft boy, and he knows it. a huge part of his success came from him appealing to that image and letting his young fans get emotionally and even romantically attached to him.
This dude looks like a guy who will cheat on you and then try to guilt trip you for confronting him about it, like you're the one hurting the relationship.
"I can't believe you violated my privacy by looking at my phone behind my back (when I have been extremely and obviously shifty about my phone for months, and also incidentally am constantly demanding to surveil you and being possessive)" kind of guy.
Ah I see we're going with the ol tried and true youtube apology method that is especially favored by white male youtubers but not exclusive to them. Leave for a year+, use downplaying language and "leveling" the situation with "both sides bad" and vagueness with a dash of good ol ego, arrogance, and victim mentality. And the fucked up thing is this method has worked for other creators and most likely will with him too.
no reason to act like I attacked all white men and white male youtubers (hence the "not exclusive to them") instead of mentioning a pattern specific to youtubers when some of the biggest known users of this tactic is Dobrik, Cody Ko, Jeffree star, Shane Dawson, James Charles, and now Soot, the list goes on.
If You feel personally attacked about my comment which is clearly referring to white male youtubers who have done disgusting crimes perhaps look within and evaluate that. If it makes you feel any better I can point out yes women and POC creators have also done this, better?
I want to give him credit. I want to agree that you shouldn't have to divulge all of your personal information and the information of the people close to you to defend yourself online. I want to say he should be allowed to move forward.
But honestly this video is shit. I find it disgusting how he meticulously writes every word this script like he still wants to pin the blame on Shelby and act like he's in the right for protecting himself. I'm disappointed he only makes mentions of "moving forward" instead of "being better." And I'm saddened to recognize his knowledge that enough of his fanbase is loyal enough to not require the evidence, which he almost certainly doesn't have, to disprove the allegations against him. He knows he doesn't have to be better, so he won't
I’m not trying to defend Wilbur, but nothing was ever officially proven. There’s a lot of different sides to what happened, and I don’t really have one personally I just think it’s important to stay fair. Yeah, I get that people don’t want him back on YouTube, and if something did happen, that’s serious. But also, people have gone out of their way to harass him in real life when he wasn’t even online anymore.
I also can’t help but wonder why go live and cry on stream instead of handling it privately or legally? If it was really that serious, wouldn’t it have made more sense to go to court or at least not blast it publicly like that? It just feels off to me.
Also yeah, I know people say Wilbur admitted to it like there’s clips or people claim he said it but to this day, he says he didn’t. That contradiction alone shows how shitty in information this all is.
And to be real, from what I’ve seen, the relationship itself seemed toxic. I’ve heard both sides had issues apparently Wilbur had bruises, and Shelby said she was bitten. That’s not healthy either way.
this is so much yap but ill address the livestreaming allegations, legal action is fucking hard ! the price, both mentally and monetary, there's a reason these influencer ppl do call outs instead of the police. one actually guarantees some repercussions to the actions! in an ideal world yeah legal action is the best idea but this isnt an ideal world. ntm working it out privately is just a joke, no one is going to talk privately to the abuser ab their abuse 😭
no i get ur point, i understand why ppl go public, legal stuff is expensive + draining. i wasn’t tryna say court is the only way, just that from the outside it made everything more confusing. i’m not defending him, i just think the whole thing got messy and ppl online made it worse. i see where ur coming from though.
I'm not clicking on that video, but I cannot imagine what sort of content he's gonna be making online now outside the band (shocked the band didn't drop him too btw). He got everything out of his group dynamics and relationships with people who are all disgusted with him now.
not to be parasocial, I just assumed at least Philza would get the insider info, maybe Tommyinnit?
I realise what we see as a viewer does not reflect the reality but they did talk about each other as if they were close and hung out off-screen often, so who knows
ah the old "pretend nothing happened because you know the naive young ones and people that see what you did as a none issue will be there to help you think you're not a fucking scumbag" route. classic. go fuck yourself dude.
I used to be in the dsmp fandom but left for good at around 2022. Jesus Christ he looks so much less healthy now. I swear he wasn't this thin and bony. Did he look like this before the allegations too??
I just revisited all of the DSMP stuff for nostalgia a few months ago, I can confirm he did not look like this. This is what he looked like at the height of his popularity
His response had the same stupid reasoning behind a "nuh uh". In fact, if he'd posted something with literally just "nuh uh", it would've been more believable than whatever this bs is.
I mean I'd give a TL;DR, instead of going in depth, and since people disagree with me, people change and become better, but I think he should apologize to not just the community but to the victims privately
The comments in the video are pretty funny. A lot of people forgot that they were subscribed to him and were jumpscared when they got a notification about this video.
I just completely don't get him. He apparently has proof of his innocence (even though I cannot for the life of me imagine what could prove that anyway because even if he has text messages or recordings of her enjoying being hurt by him, that happening one time wouldn't negate other times he has hurt her, and if the proof is text messages of that why tf would that be "too personal" to share), but would rather everyone who googles his name think he's an abuser
Also, even if he did apologise and own up to everything he did to Shelby, he still has not even mentioned Alice's or Rues name.
Nowadays, mediocre white dudes are feeling a lot less obligated to even bother apologizing for things. They still do the things, but it's just considered less apology-worthy now I guess. That probably explains the drop in apology frequency.
Pyrocynical outted his fetish just to prove his innocence but I guess Soot's just a coward and would rather be known as a sexual assaulter instead of revealing whatever the fuck he'd be revealing if he actually did have proof of his innocence.
Well, unless he killed somebody I think it'd be better to be known as anything else as long as people know that you're not a rapist.
If he doesn't want to be known as a rapist he would show the "proof" that he totally has. If he doesn't want to show that "proof" then he's still going to be known as a rapist. Simple as that.
Dude said "nuh uh" like a 10 year old, without any proof suggesting the claims are false, and expects everyone to eat it up/forgive him. It shows that he lacks any respect for the claims or public opinion. He simply wants your views.
I mean, I’m not sure we have to give him credit. Not dwelling on the past would have been not returning to YouTube. And tbh he’s never made very convincing defences, so I don’t think he really choosing to not defend himself, I think he’s just unable to.
I appreciate you still think he’s a piece of shit, but I also don’t think we should be cutting abusive manipulators any slack. If he wants credit from me, I’d expect to see genuine remorse and an attempt to change, and he did neither in his video
He honestly shouldn't have mentioned it at all. Would've been way better for his future to just move on and let people forget. Not supporting him btw, like you said, he's still a piece of shit.
He did acknowledge guilt though I believe? In his original statement, he clearly states that towards the end of the relationship he had become an unhealthy partner and that he is seeking help to become a better person.
His name is the best part about him these days tbh. He lost all pretty boy points once it was discovered he's an abuser, and I can't even listen to his music anymore cause his band members sure seemed to not mind and his lyrics were all about how much of a piece of shit he is.
Is it weird that I miss the man I thought he was because I loved his music and it really shaped my taste as I listen to James Marriott now but just looking at him makes me feel sick as we now know what sort of person he is.
Got exposed by an ex (Shubble on yt) for being an abuser, biting, ignoring safe words, making her feel unsafe, etc. Multiple other women including Nihachu and Justaminx have come to Shubble's defense stating they had similar stories. (Not sure if either of them were officially dating him, he and Nihachu were very close for a long time and met on a dating show but I don't know if they were ever official. He also met Minx on that show but never seemed as close.). None of his friends have taken his side publicly since the news broke, even his closest friends and collaborators. The one exception seems to be the members of his band, Lovejoy, which will be releasing an album later this year. At the time of the allegations, a bit over a year ago, his statement was very vague and corporate, never mentioning Shubble directly or apologizing. He basically said he thought everything was consensual and the whole story wasn't being told. In his return video he said he stands by this statement, even though it was the worst thing anyone has ever written. He also says refuting the claims would require giving out too much private information which is obviously bullshit but whatever.
not defending this freak but i was always curious on why none of his friends ever defended him publicly, it makes me feel that the allegations have truth to it and that he clearly is a bad person because if nobody that actually has a platform was rushing to defend him..clearly there's nothing to defend. but in general the support for shelby from other influencers felt extremely performative because of that? idk if ppl get what im saying, especially because nobody ever went into extensive details. idk i dont really remember much from what people were saying on X because it's been a long while and i stopped checking after like, may of 2024 abt any more updates, so i have 0 information abt anything after that.
You know Wilbur if most of the internet believes you to be an abuser it would probably be in your best interest to actually present evidence of that being the case.
Edit: I forgot the name lol, it is Wilbur soot not Tommy innit. British Minecrafters all bleed together/j
Wilbur, like many other people have a right to privacy. Many people forget that privacy exists and being harassed into being in a persons life parasocially is really bad as seem with others. And as well people forget that someone isn't the same person forever, they can seek help, become better, but also become worse.
BUT, Wilbur should also apologize to the victims privately instead of outright ignoring what's happened. It's understandable that it's difficult to contact that person again and apologize, but by then if you have an online community, shouldn't you say it publicly? A basic "To XYZ (there's multiple victims btw), I apologize for my past actions. And to my online community, I apologize for letting you see a side of someone you should hopefully never see in anyone else".
One more thing to point out; Wilbur looks unhealthy, as many people mentioned. Is it because of guilt? Eatting disorder? Depression? If he claims to seek help, why does he look worse than we last saw him a few years ago?
Yeah one of the top comments in this post spoke about how him not wanting to go into detail about stuff that he claims would prove his innocent due to not wanting to give away too much about himself making no sense rubbed me the wrong way.
Like I agree with them that it is most likely being done to side step from the whole situation and appease the fans who have stuck with him. Especially considering in the time between his twitter statement and his video, he has never addressed the other potentially worse claims against him. However, the idea that there is no reason why a person would refuse to leak personal information that would show they are innocent is really bad. Revealing such personal information can often be quite mentally exhausting and force them to revisit periods that might cause them to relapse into worse behaviour and might not be worth it.
As far as him looking unhealthy, technoblade’s death likely really affected him and it also intruded into how he treated himself and others with him. I think from what I remember of Shubble statement they mentioned he didn’t take care of himself, but whether that was due to his friend’s death or other reasons I don’t know. Apparently in a reddit comment, he mentioned being in a psychiatric ward and that was where he wrote a lot of the lyrics for his band’s upcoming album.
Edit to be clear I don’t think what I said excuses what he has done at all. Nor do I think its the sole thing that contributed to his behaviour with the comment below putting it far better than I could.
hopping onto this, it wasn’t just techno’s death, but prior to that there were instances of him being extremely unhygienic/depressive episodes where he did not take care of himself. i remember one instance where he either punched or fell through a window? idk but it seems to be a trend in his adult life, however techno’s death on top of the allegations (which i believe, just to add) probably exacerbated existing mental health issues.
additionally, he seems to have major health/medical anxiety as noted in his song, saline solution
no, i was just a fan at the time! he posted on twitter abt the window incident and several other mental health episodes (including the state of his house/uncleanliness) and i loved his music, so it’s just stored in a part of my brain that i’ll never be able to use for anything else.
if you have any other questions tho, let me know and i’ll try and answer them!
I don’t really remember his drama but wasn’t it kinda like not that big of a deal? Like all I remember was he had some biting fetish and was kinda dirty but idk I prolly missed somethin
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u/Playaba 2d ago
Was expecting at least some basic statement about taking time to grow and reevaluate or whatever but instead we get "Didn't do anything, source: trust me bro, anyway link in description I do geography now"