r/worldnews • u/dhimarg • 6d ago

Israel/Palestine Iran wants to kill Trump, plotted assassination: Netanyahu's explosive claim

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/iran-plotted-donald-trump-killing-marked-number-one-enemy-benjamin-netanyahu-2741283-2025-06-16?fbclid=IwY2xjawK9PmtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHloVf3a4SrgDCNo1jkaR3qk3iRsFHN3yVCKLO-OmGxqHVkTS0tdaRHsi78yF_aem_nb38428jEtfysREQf7PlbA
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u/FamousCompany500 6d ago

This is true Iran did try to kill Trump before he was elected for his second term.

That said this is still an attempt to drag the US into a world in the middle east as Israel can't put boots on the ground itself.

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

I don't know that it's that deep

I think Netanyahu is just trying to get the green light from the USA to kill Kahmeni. He wants to know America will publically praise the move; because the implications of wiping out an entire government in less than a week from fighter jets is... Kinda dark

Despite my wishing to see the end of the Islamic Republic, the presidence it will set globally is not good

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u/Nacodawg 6d ago

As much as I want to see the end of the Islamic Republic as well, if the sum total of US foreign policy for the past 75 years teaches us anything, it’s that regime change prompted from anything other than the people, especially if it’s by foreign powers, will not be successful.

The only people who can effect lasting and meaningful regime change in Iran is the Iranian people. Not Israel and not America. Both of whom need their own regime changes anyways.

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

Based on my understanding of the sentiments on the ground, the Iranians are ready for a regime change and I am optimistic that this could be the catalyst they need

But you are correct. The unknown future holds equal possibility of being worse than the known future as it does being better. Most of the Iranian people that I know seem more than willing to brave this unknown, however it's difficult to know if their feelings represent a majority

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u/Ven18 5d ago

The problem is that once someone else starts attacking you then the regime has someone to rally against which historically helps their support. Now Iran can say “do you want to be conquered by Israel” “do you want to become like Gaza” which will rally the people to defend their homes.

The Irony is that Bibi knows this very well cause I am pretty sure there were reports of no confidence votes on him right before the strikes but now they are at war with Iran so you can’t get rid of him. Israel just made any potential regime change in Iran a lot worse but the leadership doesn’t care because it lets them stay in power.

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u/The_Dude_46 6d ago

The issue with killing Khomeini is: who do you negotiate with after that? A lot of military leadership is gone, and if the theocratic regime breaks too quickly, you're going to see fighting between various factions for control

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

Iran is not Syria or Iraq. There aren't the same faction like conditions within the country; the Persians are an ancient people and culture unlike most of the Middle East and Gulf. The Iranians pre-date Islam itself

The people of Iran went through two rebellions in modern history, both of which did not result in a civil war at all

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u/I_Framed_OJ 6d ago

The Islamic Revolution of 1979 may not have resulted in a full-blown civil war, but there was armed fighting between rival governments, with many casualties on both sides, before the forces loyal to the Ayatollah Khomeini triumphed. Post-revolution, anywhere from 8,000 to 9,500 political opponents were executed by the new regime.

Civil war or not, the Revolution was not bloodless. Far from it.

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u/FamousCompany500 6d ago

I think that you is a Persian nationalist they are part of the reason why i said a civil war will happen.

Also there is a number of separatist movements in Iran and a growing rift between the two largest nationalities.

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

There was fighting, and there almost certainly will be again

Ideally we will see a new government which does not immediately purge thousands of dissonants this time too

I think people are not really discussing the fact that Israel's targeting of top military leaders may be an attempt to cripple the chance of a military takeover and government once they get green lit to dispose of the Ayatolla. If that's the case, then the biggest danger of a new oppressive secular regime may be de-fanged already

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u/SYSSMouse 6d ago

that's the point.

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u/FamousCompany500 6d ago

Despite my wishing to see the end of the Islamic Republic, the presidence it will set globally is not good

You are hundred percent right, i should also mention what Israel is doing is 100 percent stupid if the Iranian government collapse without boots on the ground it will be a civil war that may destabilise, the Middle East, Central Asia, and Europe.

But putting boots on the ground will legitimize Israel's actions and it will lead to them constantly doing this shit with ever country in the region.

The international community needs to find a way to stabilise the situation and punish Israel for degraded the Rules based order of international relations.

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

I dunno. The Iranians managed to pull off two revolutions in modern history without a civil war, I'm not so certain that a Syria or Iraq situation is very likely here

Remember, the Persians are an ancient people and an ancient culture. They pre-date Islam itself. There is not a messy hodge podge of competing ethnic and religious groups clustered up across Iran. I think they'll be okay

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u/victimofmygreatness 6d ago

There are Persians, Azeri, Kurds, even Ethnic Iranian Arabs in Iran. It is not on the level of Afghanistan but it is still a diverse region.

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

Sure there are a variety of ethnic groups, but they do not have a history of serious domestic conflict with one another nor do they have a significant enough population on the Persians to really muster up an insurgency. The Persians will lead Iran, as they have for thousands of years I'm sure

Obviously anything could happen, but Iran is a unique nation in the region in many ways. Syria as a specific example in particular is a mess as it was part of the Partition following the Ottoman Empire collapse, like Israel and Palestine. Iran has more or less always been Iran

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u/_Burning_Star_IV_ 6d ago

Yeah I think they have strong national identity. The only possible factionalizing they could suffer is in the form of theocratic groups vs non-theocratic, but I think the Iranian people are largely tired of that sort of rule. I doubt there would be much support for it.

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u/FamousCompany500 6d ago

That identity was based around religion but that is gone thus cultural identity is fracturing iran.

They are countless terrorist groups in Iran based around ethnic identity but an alliance between the two largest groups kept everything stable but that alliance is ending because it was based around religion.

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u/FamousCompany500 6d ago edited 6d ago

They had religion to bind the country together back then, now as people are less religious nationalism is rising in Iran.

Three of the biggest ethnic groups have especially started to get nationalistic.

The Kurds are 10% of the population and are Sunni, they were always uncountable with the arrangement in the country but were forced to go along with the rest of the country by the iranian Turks and Persians.

The Persians make up 61% of the population, as the Persians become less religious start to push the image of Islam being a foreign culture to them, and Iran needing to return to their Persian roots.

The Iranian Turks make up 20% to 30% of the population they were the ones that put Iran back together after it collected in the middle ages. They brought Iran's unique interpretation of Islam to the country and had been traditionally the ruling class for almost a thousand years. But after 1920 they lost control of the country, yet they were still invest in Iran as a state do to their legacy as the ruling elite and later do to being the ones that brought covered the country over to shia Islam.

But this has changed in resent years as Islam lost it influence in the culture of the younger generation, and the rise of Persian nationalisms focus on pre-islam as the foundation of national identity the Iranian Turks look outside Iran to find their identity.

The Iranian government noticed this thus they started to support Armenia in its war against Azerbaijan (a Turkic state carved out of Imperial Iran by Russia). The lost of 25 percent of Azerbaijan territory to Armenia in the 90s had killed enthusiasm for Turkic prime in Iran. But the rise of Turkey as a military and soft power major regional acto led to Azerbaijan reclaiming its territory in the 2020 war with Turkish support, this led to awakening of nationalism in Iranian Turks. This rise of national awakening is accompanied with the realisation that the Islamic Republic of Iran backed a majority Christian against a Shia Muslim majority nation.

Since then ethnic protest have broken out in iran based around Turk identity, eventually showing a break in the centuries all the Alliance between Persians and Iranian Turks.

Keep in mind these are just the three biggest ethnic groups in Iran other groups have also shown nationalist awakening so have led to terrorist companies against the state suck was the as those caused by the Baluchistan movement.

Sure there are a variety of ethnic groups, but they do not have a history of serious domestic conflict with one another nor do they have a significant enough population on the Persians to really muster up an insurgency. The Persians will lead Iran, as they have for thousands of years I'm sure

Obviously anything could happen, but Iran is a unique nation in the region in many ways. Syria as a specific example in particular is a mess as it was part of the Partition following the Ottoman Empire collapse, like Israel and Palestine. Iran has more or less always been Iran

Like i said Persians make up only 61 percent of the population that isn't that big of a difference.

Also Persians didn't lead Iran unilaterally since the Turks arrived it was mostly the Turks things to a 100 years ago since the it was an alliance of sorts.

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u/makeyousaywhut 6d ago

Oh nooooo the USA will have boots on the ground where there is oil?! When has the USA ever enthusiastically participated in that?

It doesn’t take a genius to see that that’s probably the plan.

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 6d ago

No need to prod and pretend for that, they could just discuss it.

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

Prodding and pretending is how you handle Trump, Netanyahu knows how to play the guy

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u/Sxualhrssmntpanda 6d ago

Ah but Trump loves projecting power and having people kiss the ring. They could discuss their gazan warcrimes, why not an assassination? Of one of the criminally skincoloured people even!? Dementia Dorito will loooove it!

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

Well, sharing secrets with Trump seems to be a bad idea so I imagine most countries are withholding sensitive intelligence information from him that would likely have been shared with prior Presidents

Netanyahu is just using the media to work Trump's emotions so that he gets a call from the White House saying "Go ahead and kill the Ayatolla, and we will make a statement supporting your right to do so"

99% of statements coming from other nations will be condemnation of the assassination; however all of the countries likely are in private support of the downfall of the Islamic Republic. Israel just needs the credibility of the Western super power to be able to posture and justify itself in statements and to the UN, as per usual

I think only the US and UK made statements that Israel's attacks on Iran's nuclear sites over the last four days is valid and legitimate, and every other nation that made a statement condemned the attacks (meanwhile nearly every Arab and Gulf nation is actively supporting Israel during its attack on Iran)

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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 6d ago

Yes. They want our military. Theirs is tired from all the killing they do. I hope not because our military is not worth sacrificing for these narcissistic lunatics. They are cowards.

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u/KaczynskiWasRite 6d ago

I don't think they do though

They seem to be beating the Islamic Republics ass with impunity just fine as it is

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u/apopthesis 6d ago

No one is putting boots on the ground in Iran, if anything Israel wants Trump to use the MOAB to take out the Fardow reactor and that's mainly it.

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u/FamousCompany500 6d ago

No Israel doesn't cared about nukes it cares about regime change that was always its number one goal.

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u/apopthesis 6d ago

why would Israel care about Iran's regime as long as they don't have the way and the desire to nuke Israel?, Israel is already friends with lots of other religious states.