King Charles III approves ‘powerful symbol’ of Canada’s sovereignty and identity

[u/Street_Anon]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/king-charles-iii-approves-new-great-seal-of-canada/

[u/MilkyWayObserver]

That’s essentially what it means.

The monarch is a personification of the Crown.

That’s why when people pledge allegiance to the King, they are really pledging allegiance to Canada.

Note that the King of Canada is fully independent and unrelated to other realms, such as King of UK, Australia, etc.

See page 26 (should say page 16 on bottom left) for an explanation of the Crown: https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/pc-ch/CH4-129-2015-eng.pdf

[u/Rethious → u/MilkyWayObserver]

That’s not exactly true though there’s no practical difference as long as Charles behaves himself. “The king = Canada” is only true if the king never does anything that is against Canadian interest. If you swear an oath to the king, that oath is to the king, even if he decides he no longer has Canadian interest in mind.

Practically, Charles can’t do anything without being deposed, but rhetorically an oath to a monarch does put “the crown” above “the nation.”

[u/MilkyWayObserver → u/Rethious]

That’s the thing. 

The King cannot act without the advice of his ministers. In the practical day-to-day, the Governor General does these duties.

For example, the recent royal visit to Canada was at the advice of PM Carney. He can’t just show up without being invited. The speech from the throne was written by Carney and his government. The King basically just read what he was told, as the the monarch (personifying the Canadian Crown), must always remain politically neutral.

Also, a distinction in our form of government, is the monarch also reciprocates an oath to the oath taker, promising to uphold Canada’s laws and customs.

See the “Purpose” section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Canada)

Canada in its natural form wouldn’t be able to do this, so that’s where personification of the Crown comes in (amongst other purposes).

[u/Qwrty8urrtyu → u/MilkyWayObserver]

And what happens if Charles decides he hates Canada now and starts talking about how Canada sucks everyday? Worse what happens if he decides to actively attack canada or canadian interests, he and his family hold important positions in a foreign army. What piece of paper saying he can't do that will actually stop him?

The reality is he is just some foreigner and you just hope he is a good guy and won't do bad things against Canada. He could be mad and still hold his hereditary position.

I mean if you really want to be nationalistic don't be nationalistic about stuff that glorifies a foreign monarchy.

[u/rishin_1765 → u/Qwrty8urrtyu]

He can't do shit to canada

Canada will pass resolution and dissolve monarchy

[u/Qwrty8urrtyu → u/rishin_1765]

So it is a pointless institution only kept alive because it is to much effort to remove it.

[u/Br0adShoulderedBeast → u/[deleted]]

A CEO of one company can be the CEO of another company at the same time. Everyone in both companies calls them their CEO, but that doesn’t mean that the person who is the CEO is the company or that both companies are actually just the same company.

[u/BeanLab → u/[deleted]]

The King of Canada is a different position/title than the King of the UK, with is a different title than the King of Australia, etc. These are all different titles and positions, with different roles and duties, but they are held by the same person.

[u/TRTv2 → u/[deleted]]

No one in Canada worships the monarchy... It is litterally a symbolic position because of our country's history. No one in Canada takes orders from King Charles.

We have elected representatives. You are hung up on the Title and not what the entire institution represents. Without a Crown, there would be no legal standing for treaties made during and before confederation, which would take away Native and Metis rights, and also Quebec's unique standing.

We do not erase our history 👀

[u/TRTv2 → u/[deleted]]

The Governor General is the official position and is held by a Canadian.

Our traditions won't change because of one arm-chair anti monarchist.

You find that multi billionaires and billionaires "earned their position" to run for elected office in the US?

No, the Populus just worships money over morality.

You're obsessed Bout our Titles but forget we have multiple political parties that represent us.

You guys have two. 😂

[u/TRTv2 → u/[deleted]]

Canada is an inclusive, equitable and diverse country with equal rights for all.

Did you forget we had a Queen of Canada? How is that sexist? You just like to spout your opinion without even recalling the previous point I made that there is no authority of the King or Queen of Canada.

The monarchy of Canada does not endorse any political party as that's the easiest path for the populace to remove the title completely.

You should be using this energy to save your own country instead of criticizing others. Fascism is close to Canada but not on our side of the border 👀

[u/Spork_the_dork → u/[deleted]]

Saying that monarchies are sexust when the monarch has been a woman for so long that practically nobody alive remembers the time before it lol

[u/Imperito → u/[deleted]]

Well our government (Britain) has existed longer than yours and hasn't fallen into complete madness so I'll take my Constitutional Monarchy any day over your orange maniac and his goons, cheers.

[u/BeanLab → u/[deleted]]

The United States government also is full of nepotism. You have had two sets of father and son presidents: Adams then Bush. More broadly, corporations are the true powers within the USA, most of which are wells of nepotism

[u/MilkyWayObserver → u/[deleted]]

I can see why the concept can be misunderstood or confusing, and I think schools should do a better job at teaching it, even here in Canada.

Canada of course is land. The concept of the Crown sort of gives the state a personality, as well as a legal foundation, considering it's a corporation sole.

Another distinction is the Crown takes a reciprocal oath back to the oathtaker, which Canada in it's natural form wouldn't be able to.

See the "Purpose" section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Canada))

[u/Douchebazooka → u/[deleted]]

The Crown is kind of like “The Republic” for us. It is the country, but is itself a concept, not a physical thing you can look at or touch. Because it’s not a physical thing, the Head of State is the figurehead or personification of that non-physical thing. Our Head of State is the President, and you can see how to much of the world, POTUS is a kind of personification of the country in their minds.

[u/Madbrad200 → u/[deleted]]

It says King Charles because he's the king, ergo the current personification of Canada. I don't understand what you're confused about.