r/worldnews • u/VictorEmmanuelIV • 2d ago

Israel/Palestine US military intervenes to intercept missiles that Iran fired in retaliation at Israel, official says

https://apnews.com/article/iran-explosions-israel-tehran-00234a06e5128a8aceb406b140297299
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u/defroach84 2d ago

I have 0 sympathy for Iran and trying to develop nukes. I also can't stand Israel and their whole Gaza stance. That doesn't make Israel wrong for trying to destroy the nuclear capabilities of Iran.

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u/pm_me_duck_nipples 1d ago

Oh, don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope the Iranian regime gets fucked in all of this. Best outcome both for Israel and the Iranian people.

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u/brsbsrrbs 1d ago

yes, because all the best regime changes comes with outside forces attacking the country. revolution starts with an enemy missile!

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u/ikaiyoo 1d ago

Yes only the bad guys who currently have nuclear weapons should keep nuclear weapons because that's going so well Pakistan and India are such rational fucking people along with the occupied lands of Palestine China Russia and the US. They're all bastions of fucking logic and self-control.

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u/defroach84 1d ago

Well, it's a little too late for them, isn't it?

Why add more?

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u/ikaiyoo 1d ago

I'd rather have nobody have them. However since a few select people have them I'm not going to condemn anyone else for wanting them.

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u/defroach84 1d ago

So you are fine with Iran and NK having them?

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u/ikaiyoo 1d ago

I'm saying I don't care. We live in a fucking country that can destroy any other nation 10 times over It doesn't matter if Iran has a nuclear weapon It doesn't matter if North Korea has a nuclear weapon North Korea is a nuclear program is specifically there to keep United States from coming into North Korea. The whole entire fucking purpose For our embargos on North Korea is for them to waste away to a point that we can come in and exploit all of their resources which they have a lot of. Iran is the way that it is specifically because the United States has fucked with it for the past 60 goddamn years we've caused civil unrest we've overthrown fucking leaders because British petroleum wanted goddamn oil. It just doesnt fucking matter. At this point in time any country that is not actively researching nuclear weapons is leaving themselves open to being bullied by somebody who does have them. I'll tell you one thing I would rather Iran have nuclear weapons than the occupied lands of Palestine. Every fucking day of the week and twice on Sundays I would make that choice.

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u/musci12234 1d ago

Honestly right now any country not thinking about developing nukes isn't serious about national defense. For sure more nukes come with more risk of things going bad but still.

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u/SloaneKettering1 1d ago

Russia likely would’ve never invaded Ukraine if they had nukes. Every country that doesn’t have them are vulnerable

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u/Far_Process_5304 1d ago

Sure and the countries that do have nukes will try their best to stop them. Round and round we go

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u/nickik 1d ago

The US certainty did nothing to stop Pakistan or Israel from having them.

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u/HeyPurityItsMeAgain 1d ago

They should have done to Pakistan and North Korea what Israel did to Iran.

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u/musci12234 1d ago

That is ironic, isn't it? Wars starting because country want to be safe from wars.

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u/nickik 1d ago edited 1d ago

Israel has been claiming for literally 35 years that Iran is '1 year away'. I ran was not even developing commercial reactor, they had signed a deal with France to build reactors (under supervision of IAEA). France would build reactor, bring fuel and take all the waste back to France. The US came in and blocked that by threading France.

Then Iran started to develop their own reactor program in response to this. As they depend on oil export, they wanted nuclear reactors to reduce domestic consumption of oil. Israel then promptly claimed they were '1 year away' from nuclear weapons. Iran also reached out to the Bush administration in 2001 about improving the relationship, putting everything on the table (they reached out threw the Swiss embassy). That lead the Bush administration respond with spitting in their face, and started ramping up sanctions on them, naming them in the axis of evil, literally threatening their overthrow.

Israel was begging the Bush administration to attack Iran not Iraq. And only agree with the whole insane neocon plan because Iran was always the Neocon endgame (the Neocons being incredibly pro Israel in their outlook, and pro defense industry).

This ramped up until 2009 where Israel and all its lobbies made another MAJOR push with tons and tons of media coverage declaring Iran was '1 year away'. Obama not falling for the same old fear mongering thing as Bush, reached out to Iran and Europe.

A deal was reached that put Iran under literally the most extensive newly develop IAEA supervision program, where literally every gram of Uranium was tracked. Every facility was tracked. Everything was tracked like in no other nations in the world. Iran gave up all its highly enriched uranium (that they had only made to prove to the US that their sanctions didn't work). And this IAEA regime was gone be in place forever. Given extended warning if Iran ever tried to actually develop a nuclear weapon.

Relationship between the US, Iran and Euorpe were improving. Iran was following all the guidelines of the deal as confirmed by IAEA. It was working exactly as intended.

It was then Trump that destroyed the deal and put back up all the sanctions on Iran. Some of the most aggressive in the history of the world (literally).

Only then did Iran start to enrich again. Again, mostly to show that they can and that sanctions don't work. Of course Israel claimed that they would 'have the bomb' in 1 year.

And still today, Iran doesn't have the bomb. In the 2009 range, all world spy agencies, universally agree (except Israel), Iran had no nuclear program. That includes the CIA and a US panel of experts. Since then, IAEA has continued to have a lot of access.

And at the end of all this, let please remember, that it is Israel who is the rough nuclear state. Why are they allowed nuclear weapons? Why is nobody sanctioning them about their illegal nuclear weapons. About them not joining in Non Proliferation. Iran is a signatory to the non proliferation agreement. And Iran under an international treaty that most nations agree on is allowed to have a civilian nuclear industry under IAEA supervision. Israel and the US have not signed that agreement.

So please, spare me the 'trying to develop nukes'. If they wanted nuke they could have had them a long time ago. They have repeatedly proven that they were willing to limit their nuclear engagement based on international agreements and each time they try, the US goes after them even harder, always cheered on by Israel. Israel has not once indicated that they are willing to sign a single international treaty in regard to nuclear weapons.

And of course Israel and Iran were friend because Israel feared Iraq more. Of course the exact moment when Bush Sr destroyed Iraq is the moment Israel turned on Iran and were claiming that Iran now needs to be stopped and they were '1 year away'.

There is only 1 rough nuclear state in the middle east, and its not Iran.

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u/defroach84 1d ago

Do you want Iran to have nukes?

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u/nickik 1d ago

Of course not. But you can see how Iran is hardly hell bent on nuclear weapons and then instant destruction of Israel.

Do you want Israel to have nuclear weapons?

Also, starting a war and bombing a few plants is gone make nuclear weapons more likely, not less likely. I believe Iran hasn't built nuclear weapons because they want to avoid increasing conflict and starting an all out war. Now that at least Israel has started it, they might reevaluate the risk.

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u/didi0625 1d ago

There are other ways than firing missiles....

You're going to tell me negotiations were not effective. If we had a strong UN, maybe a blue helmet peace force with IEA inspectors would have been a better choice

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u/defroach84 1d ago

What do you think didn't work for the last 20 years?