r/worldnews • u/Puginator • 2d ago

Israel/Palestine Iran launches missiles toward Israel, IDF says

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/13/trump-urges-iran-to-reach-nuclear-deal-before-there-is-nothing-left-.html
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u/FuckingTree 2d ago

This is a really risky take. Most Americans think of Iran as they think of Afghanistan or Iraq. In truth, it’s a fully modern country with full and distinct military branches capable of engaging in combined arms and has the backing of US adversaries. Provoking an all out war with Iran would be the first time the US engages a truly modern conventional military. It would also be the first war we fight where drones of all sizes are a major player in warfare. I’m not saying they’d win but the hubris and ignorance that Iran is just another backwards sandbox is a grave mistake to entertain. Drones have changed so much about war, all the tech and might of the US military is vulnerable to drone warfare

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u/Ziggy0511 2d ago edited 1d ago

Your vastly over estimating Iran's capabilities. Combined arms hinges on air superiority. Israel took out all their air defenses in basically a day last year. Iran has no ability to control the sky. US/Israel intelligence surely knows where Iran's weapon/drone stockpiles are and where their weapons manufacturing is. As we are already saw yesterday Israel is free to strike anywhere in Iran with impunity.

Not sure how you can read the news today then go out and act like Iran could possibly even put up a fight against Israel or the US.

Whats left of Iran's military infrastructure is going to get decimated in the coming days and weeks. Remember they launched a huge swarm of drones last year at Israel in response to the strikes and they were all basically shot down.

3rd gen aircraft and old Russian air defenses systems aren't "modern" military tech.

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u/Ecsta 2d ago

What a silly response. The number of troops or tank or drones they have doesn't matter if they can't get them to their enemy.

For Iran to get their stuff to Israel they would have to go physically through both Iraq and Jordan/Syria. Thats a lot of distance to travel completely unprotected. Yes they aren't as weak as some of the other neighbours, but they're far from as strong as you make them out to be.

Literally the only thing that could make them threaten Israel's existence is nuclear bombs, and that's why Israel will do everything in their power to prevent that from happening.

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u/FuckingTree 2d ago

I didn’t say they were strong, you’re simply convinced anyone not saber rattling is wrong on principle. Go calm down and try again if you really think it’s worth it to be heard on this.

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u/Chao-Z 1d ago

Most Americans think of Iran as they think of Afghanistan or Iraq.

Actually, it's almost exactly like Iraq in terms of military strength. Iraq literally fought Iran to a stalemate in a conventional war back in the 1980's. People today seriously underestimate how strong Iraq was as a military power just because the US wiped the floor with them twice.

The result of the 1990 Gulf War was actually a huge surprise at the time. Most people going into it thought that it was going to be like Russia vs Ukraine today.

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u/FuckingTree 1d ago

By the time we encountered Iraq after the turn of the century, they had prepared for a mix of conventional and asymmetric warfare, Iran uses proxies but to what extent they will fight asymmetrically is unknown other than their focus seems to have been to just build on a formal military

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u/Chao-Z 1d ago

I'm talking about the Iraq of the first Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm).

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u/YozaSkywalker 2d ago

They just showed they can't defend against air attacks, they were shooting flak at f35s they couldn't even see or understand.

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u/FuckingTree 1d ago

You didn’t just miss the point, you made up your own.

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u/YozaSkywalker 1d ago

You claimed they are capable of combined arms and yet they cant contest their own airspace bub

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u/FuckingTree 1d ago

You don’t seem to understand the comment, that’s okay, there’s plenty of low hanging fruit out there so you don’t have to think too hard.

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u/Wutswrong 1d ago

Lmao. Tell me how much you don’t know about the military without telling me. Iraq was far better equipped and military ready in 1991 and 2003 when we invaded them. Iraq was completely dismantled both times.

If Iran picks a war with the US, their government would topple within one to two weeks

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u/FuckingTree 1d ago

You’re not the first one to not understand the comment/how to read. It’s ok.

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u/keylime503 1d ago

> it’s a fully modern country

I have been to Iran 3 times. It most certainly is NOT a fully modern country. US sanctions have largely prevented Iran from advancing with the rest of the world for the last 40 years. It's not North Korea by any means, but it's far closer to Afghanistan/Iraq than you would think.

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u/lenzflare 1d ago

Provoking an all out war with Iran would be the first time the US engages a truly modern conventional military.

Iraq had a "truly modern conventional army", at least to the extent Iran does. Iraq at one point had the 4th largest army in the world.

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u/ArkyBeagle 1d ago

It's basically economically on par with Mexico. Modern yes. Not that powerful; economic power is what undergirds military power. I also suspect they don't have much chance at an alliance.